Posted on 02/24/2013 9:50:05 AM PST by Gluteus Maximus
"Homosexuality is incompatible with the priestly vocation. Otherwise, celibacy itself would lose its meaning as a renunciation. It would be extremely dangerous if celibacy became a sort of pretext for bringing people into the priesthood who don't want to get married anyway," the pope said.
The pope cited a 2005 Vatican document that drew a sharp line against priestly ordination of homosexuals. He said the document emphasized that homosexual candidates cannot become priests because their sexual orientation interferes with "the proper sense of paternity" that belongs to the priesthood.
The pope said it was important to select priestly candidates very carefully,
Ratzinger is up to his eyes in this scandal. He’s not in denial about it, he’s actively working to obstruct justice.
Yeah, you're probably right. He's almost certainly gay, at least in orientation. I'm not saying that he ever acted on his impulses, but he pretty clearly has or had them. The omnipresent Gorgeous George (his personal attendant) and the red Prada shoes are emblematic.
Geez...it’s a mortal sin that’s willfull....
No kidding it’s not compatible....
But It is Compatible With Seminaries
Biblical Christianity is incompatible with the priesthood but that’s a whole different and more fundamental issue.
Response: Perhaps the Roman church is starting to learn that fact! As that church is an integral part of Western Civilization its Reform and the provision of vigorous leadership in suppressing that vice would be of great help in initiating the West's Silver Age.
It makes me furious as well.
We must separate these vile contemptible priests from the Church. They are enemies of the Church and compassion was not the solution. Forgiveness for their sins was not the magisterium’s to give without proper penitence, reparation for transgressions and submission to the penalties of civil law.
Come back to the Church brother, we need you!
and officially starting in 2001, and unofficially before that, he was the Vatican’s point man in charge of investigating [errr, covering up] the abuse and molestation
The rate of abuse in the Catholic Church was not higher than in the public schools, boy scouts or religious institutions that are not Roman-Catholic, even when the abuse in the Roman Catholic Church was at its height in the 1980's.
Yet only the Roman Catholic priests are for the most part celibate. So how does celibacy have anything to do with it?
Pope, in book, says homosexuality incompatible with priesthood
By John Thavis
Catholic News ServiceVATICAN CITY (CNS) -- In his new book, Pope Benedict XVI strongly reaffirmed church teaching that homosexual acts are "disordered" and said homosexuality itself is "incompatible" with the priesthood.
The pope's comments came in his new book-interview, "Light of the World: The Pope, the Church and the Signs of the Times," which was published Nov. 23.
The interviewer, German journalist Peter Seewald, asked the pope whether the church's teaching that homosexuals deserve respect isn't contradicted by its position that homosexual acts are "intrinsically disordered."
The pope answered: "No. It is one thing to say that they are human beings with their problems and their joys, that as human beings they deserve respect, even though they have this inclination, and must not be discriminated against because of it."
"At the same time, though, sexuality has an intrinsic meaning and direction, which is not homosexual," he said. "The meaning and direction of sexuality is to bring about the union of man and woman and, in this way, to give humanity posterity, children, a future."
The pope said the church needs to hold firm on this point, "even if it is not pleasing to our age."
He said it was still an open question whether homosexual inclinations are innate or arise early in life. In any case, he said, if these are strong inclinations, it represents "a great trial" for the homosexual.
"But this does not mean that homosexuality thereby becomes morally right. Rather, it remains contrary to the essence of what God originally willed," he said.
When Seewald said that homosexuality exists in monasteries and among the clergy, even if not acted out, the pope responded: "Well, that is just one of the miseries of the church. And the persons who are affected must at least try not to express this inclination actively."
"Homosexuality is incompatible with the priestly vocation. Otherwise, celibacy itself would lose its meaning as a renunciation. It would be extremely dangerous if celibacy became a sort of pretext for bringing people into the priesthood who don't want to get married anyway," the pope said.
The pope cited a 2005 Vatican document that drew a sharp line against priestly ordination of homosexuals. He said the document emphasized that homosexual candidates cannot become priests because their sexual orientation interferes with "the proper sense of paternity" that belongs to the priesthood.
The pope said it was important to select priestly candidates very carefully, "to head off a situation where the celibacy of priests would practically end up being identified with the tendency to homosexuality."
WOW! All but one of these responses reek off anti-Catholicism. The first one is understandable since he has first hand experience within his family of harm done. The others are just off the wall.
I will stay away from this thread. I am surprised it hasn’t been yanked yet. Maybe it is here to allow bigots to rant their heads off.
For what it’s worth, IMHO, Both Pope JPII and BXVI are great men of tremendous spirituality and love of God. Neither deserves such nasty accusations. The accusers ought to look inward at their own consciences if they think they are perfect. I have news for you. you aren’t perfect.
Bye, bye.
Counter-scriptural nonsense advanced by people not terribly familiar with the New Testament.
Gumdrop, I’m with you. “Reeks” is a great verb here. As in ‘reeks of the Pit.’
Did you read the post? Benedict XVI answered your question.
"[i]t would be extremely dangerous if celibacy became a sort of pretext for bringing people into priesthood who don't want to get married anyway."
He said this is 2010, after the Church was all but completely destroyed, for Pete's sake. The depths of the denial of reality here are difficult to fathom. Celibacy MIGHT become a pretext for gays to swamp the seminaries and worm their way into the hierarchy? That MIGHT happen some day?
Don't you get it? We have a GAY CLERGY. We have a Lavender Mafia (and BXVI might be the head of it, although I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt). And the reason that we have a Lavender Mafia running the Church is that in the context of an industrialized society healthy and ambitious young men have lots of other career choices aside from the military, the Royal Bureaucracy, and the Church. This has been obvious for the past 70 years at least. Normal young men would prefer to go to graduate school and get married and have a family than live a life of self-denial in the priesthood. So, the number of vocations began to dry up, the seminaries with a wink-and-a-nudge began letting gays in to fill the gap. These gay men were ordained and then formed a network based on their common interests. They promoted each other. They protected each other. They subverted the healthy men who were willing to make the sacrifice of celibacy. They began to turn straight men away from the seminaries they controlled. As they gained power, they made sure that only their folks were in positions of power over other priests.
Bernadine. Weakland. The list goes on. These men perverted the seminaries, promoted the psychologically sick and protected the sexually criminal.
None of this would have happened if normal men had not been forced to choose between marriage and a nice career (open in modern society to nearly any young man intelligent enough to become a priest), as the homosexuals would have been prevented from taking over the commanding heights of the Church's earthly structure.
The only way to rid ourselves of this Lavender Mafia is to REQUIRE all new ordinations be granted EXCLUSIVELY to married men, as our Orthodox brothers require for parish priests.
If the Church would just do that, the priestly ranks would be swamped with healthy family men who would drive the Lavender Mafia into the ground. The Lavender Mafia knows this, which is why they like the celibacy rule so much and are willing to defend it at all costs. It's not that they believe in celibacy for themselves. They do believe in celibacy for heterosexuals, as a way to keep them out of the ranks of the clergy, which will ensure their continued power over us.
I mean, isn't this all obvious? Why can't we just admit this?
You're very kind.
I'd love to return to the Church, but I can't. Not until there's something approaching real repentance. And we'll have that only when they get rid of the celibacy rule.
“I’m struck dumb by the magnitude of this man’s denial.”
Strange, that’s exactly what I was thinking about you.
You’re right about the subculture of homoeroticism and homosexuality that sadly exists in part of the Church and its seminaries, but it wasn’t always there.
In the old days, when you went to a seminary, it was drilled into the men who went there that you were to repress your sexuality. But as the 20th Century unfolded, this sickening corruption in the Church grew in influence.
I’m sorry to hear that your loved ones were victimized by perverts masquerading in the cloth, but Benedict XVI has made steps to rooting out the homosexual influence in the seminaries and elsewhere.
Obviously it’s too late for many, but there are now guidelines back in place to cull perverts.
D'OH!!
Thank you for your condolences.
The only "step" that has any hope of working is to require all new ordinations go exclusively to married men who are otherwise healthy. Only this can succeed in overrunning the entrenched Lavender Mafia and ousting them forever from power over the faithful.
Obviously it’s too late for many, but there are now guidelines back in place to cull perverts.
Far too little, far too late.
End the celibacy rule. It's the only way.
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