Posted on 11/27/2012 4:05:51 PM PST by greyfoxx39
well, not two or three -- more, but I'd probably say a dozen or two, not hundreds, leave alone thousands, so on that I agree with you
Oh, DEFINITELY -- while I mention Mormonism as having taken the trappings of Baptist belief etc., theologically there is a vast difference -- Southern Baptists are Christians, Mormons aren't.
On the others, intercession etc., well, as I pointed out above about mathematicians arguing on calculus, it's "go ahead and argue about those top layers, just know that if you dispute 2+2=4, then bye bye" -- the same with these various stripes of Catholics -- they can argue about the delicacies on tops, but no disputes on the fundamentals
So why is every Tom, Dick & Harry cult somehow "Protestant" in your mind? -- nope, didn't say this either. In fact I don't use the "P" word at all -- it has too many varying definitions and meanings and some groups (some Baptists) insist they aren't, others like Seventh Day Adventists and Oneness Pentecostals may say they are, but are they?
I prefer to address each denomination on its own right -- Lutherans are very close to my theological views say, and yet even Baptists believe with me on much of the fundamentals that go into what is a Christian (namely that Jesus Christ is God and God is ONE)
yet Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons do not -- so they are not Christian imho
After all, I don't see Catholics praying to the same saint...right?
They pick out various "saints" per either some "specialization" that the saint has according to a given crisis (as if that was Biblical in any way...there's NO WAY you can prove given saints "specialize" in certain emergencies)...or some saints are lifted up according to the vocation a person might be in...
Catholics can't even agree on who REALLY is on a "saint roster" that can be appealed to...And even where Catholic authorities have "stepped in" to streamline this process, let's face it...it's all rather arbitrary.
After all, exactly how many Protestant saints have Catholic authorities placed on the official saint roster? What? There are none?
Hence, Catholic "saint" theology of intercession and its practice is all over the map.
After all, I don't see Catholics praying to the same saint...right?
They pick out various "saints" per either some "specialization" that the saint has according to a given crisis (as if that was Biblical in any way...there's NO WAY you can prove given saints "specialize" in certain emergencies)...or some saints are lifted up according to the vocation a person might be in...
Catholics can't even agree on who REALLY is on a "saint roster" that can be appealed to...And even where Catholic authorities have "stepped in" to streamline this process, let's face it...it's all rather arbitrary.
After all, exactly how many Protestant saints have Catholic authorities placed on the official saint roster? What? There are none?
Hence, Catholic "saint" theology of intercession and its practice is all over the map.
After all, if the Orders were COMPLETELY on the same page, then their distinctions and uniqueness would be superflous and redundant...and all of the johnny-late-comers should simply honor the originals and "go away." -- the Orders are completely on the same page when it comes to dogmatic beliefs.
These are like different sections of the army, take a 17th century army for a better parallel -- the Jesuits were the front-line light cavalray, the Redemptorists the heavy cavalry, the Dominicans the artillery, the Franciscans the Hussars etc. -- all may have different styles of doing things, but the common purpose, beliefs is the same
Cronos...I said emphasize & de-emphasize. Lots of church bodies has the "right thing" wasting hard copies around somewhere, but you know & I know that these are often just "paper tigers."
For example, many Protestant denominations say all the right things "pro-life" wise...but are paper tigers...no teeth...little action behind it.
If abortion is mass murder, point to ANY Christian org or denom that is really acting like it.
I believe Joan Andrews was Catholic...she was one of the few individuals that was acting like it...I know of some Catholic priests that have as well...but even then, Joan & those others couldn't keep at it as "one-man" operations.
The Body of Christ eventually stopped rallying around them...and there weren't enough to begin with.
That differentiates us from Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses
Yet note that there are no other core beliefs in common: not the trinity (oneness pentecostals), nor the True Presence in the Eucharist, nor even in the doctrine of salvation (Anabaptists emphasize that salvation is by grace through faith that works (notice it's not faith plus works.). They believe that at conversion God purges a person's past sins by Christ's blood and changes that person at his very core, freeing him from the enslavement of sin and enabling him actually to live a righteous life.... This is in contrast to the Evangelical view that justification is the result only of an accounting procedure in the books of Heaven that happens totally outside the person. According to this view, when a person says the sinner's prayer, his sins are deducted from his account, and Christ's righteousness is credited to his account instead. )
These are fundamental differences, which is why I do not use the "P" word to club together such divergent beliefs, but address each Christian group (and note -- I said Christian -- the Mormons and Jehos are not Christians) separately on their own merit
Incorrect -- firstly, please stop using the "P" word and secondly, the saints are those we know of and those we don't -- the latter are multiples of the former
The former are heroes of the faith, examples for people to see other people who followed Christ and tell them -- you too can follow Christ, take up your cross and follow Him
Saints are heroes of the faith, examples for people to see other people who followed Christ and tell them: "you too can follow Christ, take up your cross and follow Him"
The Catholic Church does not create saints. It only recognizes a few that have lived their lives as saintly examples for us to emulate. Further, any saint can pray or intercede on any issue in response to our prayers.
Peace be with you.
That may be so; but where he ended up is not up for scepulation.
Yup.
(Angels of Light come in various forms...)
Why does everyone who want to ADD to belief to assure salvation, ignore reply #29?
nope again, virtually all baptisms are valid....I can baptize in an emergency and so can you and both baptisms result in a new member of the Catholic church. There would be very few cases where a baptism might be invalid....I'm not certain enough to mention them, but they are pretty rare. There are even baptisms of desire and baptisms of blood....both very valid indeed.
You ask if my Temple Recommend is current. Where do you attend Church? Do you pay a full tithe? Do you obey the Commandments? How often do you attend Church? What do you wear when you go to Church?
Right - it’s none of my business! Exactly!!!
Non-Catholics and even non-Christians can perform a valid baptism under certain circumstances. The Sacraments are not dependent upon the holiness or faith of the priest, deacon, or lay person to be valid. It is the Holy Spirit acting that makes them valid.
Peace be with you
Well, Jesus Christ Himself said that one must believe, but one must also be baptised, repent, endure to the end etc. — it’s “and”, “and”, “and”
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