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THE IMPOSSIBLE GOSPEL OF MORMONISM: PLAN OF SALVATION
Mormon Infographics ^ | November 27, 2012

Posted on 11/27/2012 4:05:51 PM PST by greyfoxx39

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To: Colofornian
Oh sure there are major distinctions in the two sacraments and on eschatology; but even then, they mostly fall into two to three camps on that.

well, not two or three -- more, but I'd probably say a dozen or two, not hundreds, leave alone thousands, so on that I agree with you

181 posted on 11/29/2012 9:26:51 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Colofornian
So not all "offshoots" = Protestantism...Some have left the fold.

Oh, DEFINITELY -- while I mention Mormonism as having taken the trappings of Baptist belief etc., theologically there is a vast difference -- Southern Baptists are Christians, Mormons aren't.

182 posted on 11/29/2012 9:28:03 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Colofornian
With the above, I'm not just talking about individual Catholics...I'm talking about where Catholic leaders either emphasize -- or de-emphasize -- all of the above according to the diocese they are in.. -- incorrect for birth control. On that, there is a firm statement

On the others, intercession etc., well, as I pointed out above about mathematicians arguing on calculus, it's "go ahead and argue about those top layers, just know that if you dispute 2+2=4, then bye bye" -- the same with these various stripes of Catholics -- they can argue about the delicacies on tops, but no disputes on the fundamentals

183 posted on 11/29/2012 9:31:15 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Colofornian
Again, the JWs are NOT protestants. They don't think so; we don't think so. We're in agreement. and I'm in agreement with you -- they are not the same as you, they are not Christians -- I never said they were the same as you.

So why is every Tom, Dick & Harry cult somehow "Protestant" in your mind? -- nope, didn't say this either. In fact I don't use the "P" word at all -- it has too many varying definitions and meanings and some groups (some Baptists) insist they aren't, others like Seventh Day Adventists and Oneness Pentecostals may say they are, but are they?

I prefer to address each denomination on its own right -- Lutherans are very close to my theological views say, and yet even Baptists believe with me on much of the fundamentals that go into what is a Christian (namely that Jesus Christ is God and God is ONE)

yet Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons do not -- so they are not Christian imho

184 posted on 11/29/2012 9:34:44 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos; Salvation; Natural Law; terycarl
Re: your list of Protestant denominations, a lot of it is simply about unique expressions and finding like-minded people.

After all, I don't see Catholics praying to the same saint...right?

They pick out various "saints" per either some "specialization" that the saint has according to a given crisis (as if that was Biblical in any way...there's NO WAY you can prove given saints "specialize" in certain emergencies)...or some saints are lifted up according to the vocation a person might be in...

Catholics can't even agree on who REALLY is on a "saint roster" that can be appealed to...And even where Catholic authorities have "stepped in" to streamline this process, let's face it...it's all rather arbitrary.

After all, exactly how many Protestant saints have Catholic authorities placed on the official saint roster? What? There are none?

Hence, Catholic "saint" theology of intercession and its practice is all over the map.

185 posted on 11/29/2012 9:35:51 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Cronos; Salvation; Natural Law; terycarl
Re: your list of Protestant denominations, a lot of it is simply about unique expressions and finding like-minded people.

After all, I don't see Catholics praying to the same saint...right?

They pick out various "saints" per either some "specialization" that the saint has according to a given crisis (as if that was Biblical in any way...there's NO WAY you can prove given saints "specialize" in certain emergencies)...or some saints are lifted up according to the vocation a person might be in...

Catholics can't even agree on who REALLY is on a "saint roster" that can be appealed to...And even where Catholic authorities have "stepped in" to streamline this process, let's face it...it's all rather arbitrary.

After all, exactly how many Protestant saints have Catholic authorities placed on the official saint roster? What? There are none?

Hence, Catholic "saint" theology of intercession and its practice is all over the map.

186 posted on 11/29/2012 9:37:38 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian; Salvation; terycarl
They are distinct and unique brands of Catholic diversities. -- I'm sorry, you're not understanding -- these are not different theological brands. They have to believe the dogmas of the faith, or they are not Catholic. If you go for mass celebrated by any priest from any order, it is the same, the belief in Christ's presence in the Eucharist is the same

After all, if the Orders were COMPLETELY on the same page, then their distinctions and uniqueness would be superflous and redundant...and all of the johnny-late-comers should simply honor the originals and "go away." -- the Orders are completely on the same page when it comes to dogmatic beliefs.

These are like different sections of the army, take a 17th century army for a better parallel -- the Jesuits were the front-line light cavalray, the Redemptorists the heavy cavalry, the Dominicans the artillery, the Franciscans the Hussars etc. -- all may have different styles of doing things, but the common purpose, beliefs is the same

187 posted on 11/29/2012 9:41:35 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos
-- incorrect for birth control. On that, there is a firm statement

Cronos...I said emphasize & de-emphasize. Lots of church bodies has the "right thing" wasting hard copies around somewhere, but you know & I know that these are often just "paper tigers."

For example, many Protestant denominations say all the right things "pro-life" wise...but are paper tigers...no teeth...little action behind it.

If abortion is mass murder, point to ANY Christian org or denom that is really acting like it.

I believe Joan Andrews was Catholic...she was one of the few individuals that was acting like it...I know of some Catholic priests that have as well...but even then, Joan & those others couldn't keep at it as "one-man" operations.

The Body of Christ eventually stopped rallying around them...and there weren't enough to begin with.

188 posted on 11/29/2012 9:43:04 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian; Salvation; terycarl
diversity -- minus respecting core beliefs that exist among their denominations -- well, firstly, among the denominations that would call themselves under the p umbrella term, there is only one core belief which you share with us in the Church -- that Jesus Christ is Lord, God and Savior, part of the ONE God

That differentiates us from Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses

Yet note that there are no other core beliefs in common: not the trinity (oneness pentecostals), nor the True Presence in the Eucharist, nor even in the doctrine of salvation (Anabaptists emphasize that salvation is by grace through faith that works (notice it's not faith plus works.). They believe that at conversion God purges a person's past sins by Christ's blood and changes that person at his very core, freeing him from the enslavement of sin and enabling him actually to live a righteous life.... This is in contrast to the Evangelical view that justification is the result only of an accounting procedure in the books of Heaven that happens totally outside the person. According to this view, when a person says the sinner's prayer, his sins are deducted from his account, and Christ's righteousness is credited to his account instead. )

These are fundamental differences, which is why I do not use the "P" word to club together such divergent beliefs, but address each Christian group (and note -- I said Christian -- the Mormons and Jehos are not Christians) separately on their own merit

189 posted on 11/29/2012 9:46:23 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Colofornian
After all, exactly how many Protestant saints have Catholic authorities placed on the official saint roster? What? There are none?

Incorrect -- firstly, please stop using the "P" word and secondly, the saints are those we know of and those we don't -- the latter are multiples of the former

The former are heroes of the faith, examples for people to see other people who followed Christ and tell them -- you too can follow Christ, take up your cross and follow Him

190 posted on 11/29/2012 9:49:42 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Colofornian
Note -- change to the above, I didn't mean it as a statement from me a sinner to you a sinner, what I mean to say was

Saints are heroes of the faith, examples for people to see other people who followed Christ and tell them: "you too can follow Christ, take up your cross and follow Him"

191 posted on 11/29/2012 9:53:22 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Colofornian
"Catholics can't even agree on who REALLY is on a "saint roster" that can be appealed to..."

The Catholic Church does not create saints. It only recognizes a few that have lived their lives as saintly examples for us to emulate. Further, any saint can pray or intercede on any issue in response to our prayers.

Peace be with you.

192 posted on 11/29/2012 11:32:43 AM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: All
Back to the original thread topic before the highjack.

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193 posted on 11/29/2012 11:36:54 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (We told you Mitt couldn't win.)
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To: Cronos
Atually Ezra T Benson was initially congregationist I think

That may be so; but where he ended up is not up for scepulation.

194 posted on 11/29/2012 1:56:37 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos
That is muddying the water too, isn't it?

Yup.

(Angels of Light come in various forms...)

195 posted on 11/29/2012 1:57:36 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cronos

Why does everyone who want to ADD to belief to assure salvation, ignore reply #29?


196 posted on 11/29/2012 1:59:41 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
(Aye; THERE's the rub! VALID!! What do that MEAN?? And just WHO gets to be the JUDGE of it?

nope again, virtually all baptisms are valid....I can baptize in an emergency and so can you and both baptisms result in a new member of the Catholic church. There would be very few cases where a baptism might be invalid....I'm not certain enough to mention them, but they are pretty rare. There are even baptisms of desire and baptisms of blood....both very valid indeed.

197 posted on 11/29/2012 2:08:30 PM PST by terycarl
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To: Elsie

You ask if my Temple Recommend is current. Where do you attend Church? Do you pay a full tithe? Do you obey the Commandments? How often do you attend Church? What do you wear when you go to Church?

Right - it’s none of my business! Exactly!!!


198 posted on 11/29/2012 2:36:31 PM PST by Saundra Duffy ( For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: terycarl
"virtually all baptisms are valid...."

Non-Catholics and even non-Christians can perform a valid baptism under certain circumstances. The Sacraments are not dependent upon the holiness or faith of the priest, deacon, or lay person to be valid. It is the Holy Spirit acting that makes them valid.

Peace be with you

199 posted on 11/29/2012 5:03:39 PM PST by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: Elsie

Well, Jesus Christ Himself said that one must believe, but one must also be baptised, repent, endure to the end etc. — it’s “and”, “and”, “and”


200 posted on 11/29/2012 9:22:17 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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