Posted on 10/17/2012 4:33:29 AM PDT by Colofornian
The daughter of a Latter Day Saints bishop and author of a book on Mitt Romney’s Mormonism says that she has concerns about a Romney presidency.
Tricia Erickson, who is now a professing Christian after being involved in the LDS establishment for 21 years, stated in an article this week entitled The Obamney Twins that while she cannot support Barack Obama, she is unable to vote for Mitt Romney either.
“To me, as a conservative, a Republican and a Christian, I cannot justify a vote for either one of the Obamney baby-killing, annihilators of the family, government healthcare mandated to take over our economy socialist evil twins – and be right with our Creator,” she wrote.
Erickson pointed out that neither seek to ban abortion, and both have shown support for homosexuality.
“Republicans say that they have to vote for Romney because we are losing our country to socialism and after another four years of Obama, there will be nothing left of America. I can’t say that I disagree,” she said. “However, what is never talked about is that Romney has his own goals for the Mormon Church [and] The Mormon Plan for America, and while he is cunning and a good debater, he lacks the judgment to discern that he will not become a ‘god’ in his next life and receive his own planet.”
Erickson has been making the rounds on various talk shows and has been featured in news publications for at least the past year, discussing her concerns with Mormonism and a potential Romney presidency.
“While he attempts to portray Mormonism as just another Christian religion, Mitt Romney counts on his skills to shift our attention away from what he truly believes,” she wrote in her book Can Mitt Romney Serve Two Masters? The Mormon Church Versus the Office of the Presidency of the United States of America.
“It’s like our eyes are glazed over when it comes to the religion of Mitt Romney,” Erickson told talk show host Thomas Hartmann in further discussing the matter. “If you just knew what Mitt Romney believed, you would run far away from this candidate.”
Erickson states that she grew up in a devout Mormon household, and was even married in the LDS temple according to mandated rituals. However, she laments many things that she observed and was subjected to.
“It was horrific,” she told WND. “There I was standing naked [at my wedding]. They brought this bowl of water and started washing my body down, and whispering prayers over my body. They stopped over the right and left breast, the navel and knees and prayed specific prayers.”
Erickson stated that because Mitt Romney is a dedicated Mormon, he espouses beliefs that are very concerning, including that Jesus was not born of a virgin, that Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers, and that Romney will one day become one of many deities.
“Mitt Romney truly, unequivocally believes that when he dies, he is going to become a god in Heaven,” she said. “He is going be given his own kingdom/planet. He will be able to call his wife Ann by the secret name that is only given to him in the Mormon secret ceremonies … When he calls her on to his planet, they will have relations to populate the planet with spirit children, as they believe our God has a wife on His planet, and He did the same, and they believe that we are our God’s spirit children from our god mother and god father.”
“So, all of us here on earth, we existed in a pre-existence with God as a spirit baby, then we came down and inhabited these little babies’ bodies that are here on the earth,” Erickson continued, explaining LDS beliefs. “[This was done] so that we could go through our process to venture into godhood.”
She said that there has been a longstanding agenda in the LDS establishment to place Mormons into governmental offices.
“[The LDS establishment has] been trying since the beginning to get someone in the presidency, because they believe they have to establish their authority so when Jesus comes to earth, the Mormon Church will take control of the government and the Mormons will be the government of God on earth,” Erickson explained.
“They believe that when Jesus comes back to earth in the millennium, that He’s going to come to Jackson County, Missouri, which that’s where they believe the Garden of Eden is,” she added.
Former Mormons Dennis and Rauni Higley of H.I.S. Ministries International in Salt Lake City, Utah concur that these indeed are the beliefs of the LDS establishment. They provided Christian News Network with written outlines of their concerns surrounding what is called the “White Horse Prophesy.”
“From its very beginning, the Mormon plan for America has been to have a Mormon president lead this nation and ultimately the world,” they stated. “The so-called ‘White Horse Prophecy’ of Joseph Smith has been referred to often as a destiny of the Mormon priesthood in saving the United States. This ‘prophecy’ predicts that U.S. government will one day hang as if by a single thread and Mormon elders will step in and save it.”
Erickson said that in Mormon ceremonies, participants must swear to keep secret what goes on behind closed doors. She advised that in rituals that she was involved with, she observed people being forced to make gestures signifying their death if they revealed what takes place.
“They actually had us [symbolically] slashing our guts open and our guts falling to the ground if we told people of the secret dogma of the ceremonies,” she stated.
When asked how Erickson knows that Romney espouses these same beliefs, she replied that Romney has long had high ranking in the LDS establishment, holding office as bishop like her father, and working as a Mormon missionary in France for a time.
“You cannot get more Mormon than Mitt Romney,” she stated. “And I have been through the same temple ceremonies … to follow the church first before anything else.”
“To my way of thinking the idiosyncrasies of Mormon belief and practice are not the issue; Catholic belief in transubstantiation and Protestant belief in the resurrection [of Jesus] can be made to look silly, too,” Romney told CNN last year after being informed of Erickson’s writings and speeches against him.
Because of these concerns, in Erickson’s article this week, she noted that many will vote third party this year or skip the presidential race on the ballot.
“Some have said that they will simply not vote for either establishment candidate, [but] instead, in protest, will write-in another name or candidate if they will vote at all,” she wrote. “I, and approximately 90 million Americans, agree with Charles Spurgeon who says, ‘Of two evils, choose neither.’”
I reckon it comes down to how much one trusts opinion polling. It seems to me one takes a risk when you base your vote on reports of what other folks say they will do when asked by strangers (who themselves might be biased) over the phone about it.
Freegards
Well, Mormonism has been "at war" with Christianity for the past 180 plus years, whether GoP voters want to concede that or not.
You see, when you call yourself a "restoration" -- and claim all Christian sects are part of some universal apostasy -- that's a basic "scorched earth" approach to the labeling of worldwide Christianity and all of the Christians that encompasses. That was Joseph Smith's approach -- to attempt a massive spiritual graveyard that would "bury" Christianity.
...because a Muslim may not take the side of infidels against fellow Muslims.
You do realize, don't you that Mormonism and Islam are on the same page in numerous theological ways -- one of which surrounds the use of that word "infidel"?
Muslims deem all Christians as "infidels"...Official Mormonism deems all Christians as "apostates."
Well, it's not 100% about opinion-polling.
#1...we know which states went Obama in '08...though we know some of them will flip back in '12.
#2 We also know which states have been "POTUS-blue" -- and conversely "POTUS-red" going back numerous elections.
IoW, you don't have to be a "poll truster" to know that Utah will be safely in Romney's camp -- and that if 100% of FREEPERs voted for a third-party candidate -- that Romney would still easily take Utah.
How much does the Obama campaign or Daily Kos pay you to spout this ignorant nonsense? This countrys first amendment guarantees freedom of religion and honorable people, for over two hundred years, have kept individual choice of religion out of politics. Your addition to the conversation is ignorant intolerance of the most basic personal choice.
Your Virgil Goode supported Douglas Wilder who supported stringent gun control. Are you good with that? I’d take a hundred Mormons over a single gun-grabber. Apparently you have no concern for either of the first two amendments; how do you feel about the rest?
At best, this argument ONLY applies to the genuine swing states.
If 100% of FREEPERs voted for Virgil Goode in over 40 states, it would have absolutely 0 effect on the electoral outcome of this election. Romney would still take the red states; Obama would still take the blue states.
What's "funny" is that so many FREEPERs wax utilitarian with their "anybody but Obama" rhetoric, but won't apply the same political philosophy to the genuine clear blue and clear red states.
First, 'twas Tricia Erickson; now me.
Nobody has ever paid me a dime for ANYTHING I've ever posted on FR.
Your outward acts of inwardly judging complete strangers is a despicable habit that I suggest you put to bed; God sees what you are doing -- and He knows my motivations.
Do you claim before the omnipresent eyes of God -- and His omniscience -- that it's a good example to set for others that it's "OK" to inwardly judge complete strangers?
If you don't like the truth-casting of this thread, just avoid it.
#1...we ALL have personally earned God's wrath. So why has He allowed anyone to "survive and thrive" despite our sin?
His Love. His compassion. His mercy. His patience. (You do know, doncha, that some Lds become Christians.)
I'm a Catholic, and I'm pretty confident your sources also have a long, wordy discourse on why I'm going to Hell because of my faith.
(If you're married, has your spouse caught you jumping into assumptions?...'cause you just gave us such a whopper of an example)
When it comes to rendering judgement on the faith of others, I just remember that Christ told me to take the plank out of my own eye before I start to worry about the specks in the eyes of others. Maybe you should try that.
OK, in your post, you've accused me of having some "long, wordy discourse on why" you're "going to Hell because of my faith." Let me ask you something, then, in light of your "plank-eye" comment: "Did your remove any splinters...or "planks" "out" of your own eye prior to making that accusation?...Or are your eyes so pure that you can just go 'round carte-blanche and make such accusations of complete strangers?
And -- then -- are you not "rendering judgment" of my very own religious expressions I've mentioned on this thread?
If Mitt Romney's beliefs are apparently not "fair game" for critique (per what we can take from your comments), then why are my religious expressions "fair game" for your critiques? (Are you not being inconsistent by the very standards you profess here?)
And since you have critiqued my religious expressions, did you happen to remove any splinters -- or perhaps "planks" -- from your eyes prior to making such judgments of me?
In fact, since, in Christ's example, He talked of both splinters as well as planks/beams, why did you automatically leap into accusing me of having "planks" in my eyes?
The woman is the daughter of a mormon bishop, she became a Christian.
She is just expressing her angst over Romney being president, she said she does not like obama.
Like it or not there are many people who feel the same way, does that mean Romney will lose no, it just means there are many people who know and understand mormonism and are concerned about a mormon president.
(And here all along I thought we were voting for THE Leader of the free world...and you've properly "corrected" us that it's really "Neighbor of the year" award...Well, by your suggested standard, Mormon Harry Reid wins both "neighbor of the year" award and would be the next super Dem candidate for POTUS!)
It beats:
“So in other words, it’s better to have an ETERNITY of MORMONism!”
Graham did not endorse Romney, all he did was remove the reference to cults which included mormonism from his web page.
Maybe.
"You knew what I was when you picked me up."
This country has no political problems. Just a Spiritual one.
You somehow miss out with your adjective here: Which god?
Do you mean the Mormon god who was a man and got the "god-job" of this planet when a "council of gods" selected him? So this is the "god" you feel "safe and secure" with a Mormon POTUS praying to in some crisis situation?
And HERE is the 'scripture' that ALL true MORMONs believe:
The Doctrine and Covenants
Section 132
Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26–27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.
16Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in amarriage; but are appointed angels in bheaven, which angels are ministering cservants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.
17For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are aangels of God forever and ever.
18And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.
19And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.
20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.
21Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my alaw ye cannot attain to this glory.
22For astrait is the gate, and narrow the bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.
23But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that awhere I am ye shall be also.
24This is aeternal lives—to bknow the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath csent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.
25aBroad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the bdeaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they creceive me not, neither do they abide in my law.
Yeah; it sure IS nasty when stuff like that gets SPREAD around!
Gee its almost like you’re paid to post this tripe. oh wait you are.
All that matters; eh?
Oh well; you live up to your screen name.
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