One half will believe... follow the False Prophet, the Pope who will follow Pope Benedict XVI

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[stpio]

Maybe this is the "May 31st" that the 5th Marian Dogma will be proclaimed? We'll see. Pray for the Holy Father.

Remember, co-...means with.

http://www.thewarningsecondcoming.com/

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message to Maria of Divine Mercy (Ireland))

Virgin Mary: The time for me to crush the serpent is drawing nearer

Friday, April 13th, 2012 @ 05:57 pm

I am your beloved Mother, Queen of the Earth. I am the Immaculate Conception, the Virgin Mary, Mother of Jesus who came in the flesh.

My child, the time for the triumph of My Immaculate Heart is close.

The time for me to crush the serpent is drawing nearer. But until the day when Satan and his demons are cast into the wilderness, much confusion will erupt on earth.

For believers in my Son, it will be a time of torment. They will be pulled into two different directions by the Catholic Church.

One half will believe, out of duty, the need to follow the False Prophet, the Pope who will follow Pope Benedict XVI

He, the beast, is dressed like a lamb but is not from my Father, God the Most High, and will fool poor souls including priests, bishops and cardinals.

Many will follow him and believe him to be sent by God to rule over His Church on earth.

Sadly, many souls will follow his teachings which will be insulting to My Father.

Others, filled with the Holy Spirit and given the graces of discernment because of their humble souls, will know instantly, that an imposter sits in the Church in Rome.

The new FALSE pope is already scheming, even before he ascends to the throne of the Seat of Peter, to denounce the teachings of my Son. Then he will denounce me, the Blessed Mother of God, and ridicule my role as Co-Redemptrix.

My child, your role is going to become even harder than before. For many of my children are very confused. The insults you face every day, the torments you endure on behalf of my Son, will increase.

Never be afraid to tell the world [u]the truth[/u] my child.

You are being made stronger as a result of the physical and mental suffering you accept on behalf of my Son in order to save souls.

Every effort, especially by one division in the Catholic Church, will be made to dismiss my messages given to you.

Your obedience and loyalty to me and my beloved Son will be tested as never before. This may lead you to pull away but, should this happen, it will not last long.

Pray, my child, for all of God’s children who, through no fault of their own, are being pulled into the final battle for souls.

All of this must come to pass for it is contained in my Father’s Book.

All the angels in Heaven protect you, my child, in this somewhat lonely mission.

Always remember how important prayer is.

Pray, pray, pray for without prayer, especially the recital of my Holy Rosary, Satan can pull you away from the Holy Word of my Precious Son.

Remember also the importance of fasting for it keeps the deceiver at bay.

Without regular prayer, my children, will find it hard to remain close to my Son.

Never fear the future children for once you remain close to my Son you will be protected

And given the necessary graces to prepare your souls and those of your families for the New Era of Peace foretold so long ago.

Your beloved Mother

Queen of the Earth

Mother of Salvation

[Bellflower]

Genesis 3:15

וְאֵיבָה אָשִׁית בֵּֽינְךָ וּבֵין הָֽאִשָּׁה וּבֵין זַרְעֲךָ וּבֵין זַרְעָהּ הוּא יְשׁוּפְךָ רֹאשׁ וְאַתָּה תְּשׁוּפֶנּוּ עָקֵֽב׃ ס

Really simply put, under this paragraph,are the bare bones nouns in their order. Much of the ancient language is implied as far as verbs and who the language is intended about and to, later interpreted as understood by the later Hebrew writers. From even the most ancient bare bones nouns it is clear that it is the seed of the woman that is being spoken about, who is Christ. This is a statement directed, by God, to the snake (Satan).

"put hatred woman seed seed bruise head bruise heel"

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

[Salvation]

I always thought the criterion was when the events STOPPED happening — then the Vatican could investigate and approve or disapprove.

Until then the Vatican stays out of it.

[stpio]

Hi, your numbered list,

I don’t know everything and neither do you. That’s the point of prophecy. God is explicit, to help people in a certain period of time.

1. I am sorry, I was thinking of another apparition, not Necedah. This one has the bishop’s recent approval, it is Our Lady of Good Help in Champion, Wisconsin (once Robinsonville). I don’t know a thing about Necdah only that it is condemned. I should find out the time period between the first apparition and the approval of Our Lady of Good Help.

2. Please explain further “propagation” being a different matter?

3. The Vatican took over Medjugorje, it isn’t decided yet no
matter your opinion. They are investigating it right now. I was negative about Medjugorje but I have changed after reading of some of the miracles.

4. Medjugorje is commercial but you still have to look at the conversions, confessions, return to the faith and the miracles there. People did not have the almost instant info on an apparition or the means to go to a place of apparition like they do today. I am going back to does a “yet to be approved” message from Heaven go against the Church? A person can discern this with prayer, Jesus tells you to Dr Sivana.

5. Are you talking about the next Holy Father? If he turns
out to be a holy man, Maria of Divine Mercy’s messages will
be false.

I didn’t promote any condemned apparitions. You brought them up. FR is a discussion forum where people talk about events, with a Religion section. The faith should be talked about, prophecy included.

We disagree, you don’t care for yet to be approved private revelation and I do. Akita happened a long time ago, Heaven hasn’t been silent since then.

[stpio]

“And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.
(Gen. 3:15)
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I will put enmities between thee and the woman,
and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush
thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.

http://www.drbo.org

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And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

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Bellflower,

Now we have 3, He, it, she....written before “shall”...

See why you need an authority? Those terms don’t mean the same. Scripture, the original writings should not of been
changed. You know where the Canon came from and you know
who translated the original writings, one man, St. Jerome.
It was important, God guided Jerome just as He did Pope
Damasus in deciding the Canon.

Look at the footnote, it is through Jesus, of course that
the “woman” crushes the head of serpent. It’s the Trinity’s
plan, since the beginning. The prophecy to Maria of Divine Mercy confirms Scripture and the teachings of the Fathers, the first Christians.

[15] She shall crush: Ipsa, the woman; so divers of the fathers read this place, conformably to the Latin: others read it ipsum, viz., the seed. The sense is the same: for it is by her seed, Jesus Christ, that the woman crushes the serpent’s head.

http://www.drbo.org/

[stpio]

RBS,

Hi, I was thinking about this message to Maria of Divine
Mercy, the one in the OP.

There are two things stated in the message I noticed do not
fit. Here are the two:

Queen of Earth

and

when Satan and his demons are cast into the wilderness

Mary is Queen of Heaven and Earth

Satan and his demons will be cast into hell not the
wilderness

The words in the message that are true, many, even within the Church will reject the 5th Marian Dogma.

Mary crushes the head of the Serpent

The false prophet, the false pope will change the Truth

Obviously, Prayer, the Rosary are powerful, fasting is powerful too.

We shall see, if the Pope to follow Benedict XVI is the false pope.

You never replied about Ronald Conte, Jr.? He is not
credible. He rejects most Catholic prophets. By whose authority? Who says he is allowed to give an exact date? He has named the date of the Great Warning 3 times and 3 times he’s been wrong.

[Dr. Sivana]

Dr Sivana you are acting as a source of misinformation(as is Richard Salbato of UnityPublishing and many others who prefer to be sloppy with their language). Medjugorje has not been ‘Condemned’ as you might be fond of saying.

It sure was, by Bishop Zanic of Mostar. There is NOTHING "tentative" in his letter which is linked below.

The first official condemnation came from the local Bishop, Zanic, in 1985.

http://www.newjerusalem.com/GreatApostasy.htm Text of Bishop Zanic's letter

[Tax-chick]

Ping to post 12 for a cool Padre Pio facepalm.

It’s funny how these end-times thingies never result in my not having to pay the mortgage and the car payment and buy another tank of gas for Bill.

There was a guy who used to sit on the lawn at my college with a sign about nuclear bombs, but the rent was always due, and professors wanted those papers ...

[Dr. Sivana]

I never claimed to know everything. I do know that the Gates of Hell shall not prevail, and I cannot reconcile the content of the purported prophecy with the valid protection of an anti-pope. Pope Alexander VI did many evil things. He might even be in Hell. But, he was not an anti-Pope, and he never formally defined any false dctrines, and his office demanded obedience. 2. "Propagation" is a different matter because if you, even with good intention, promote a message with teachings against the Faith, you are (even unwittingly) undermining the Church's Mission. 3. The Vatican held its own review of Medjugorje. I have yet to see anything in that review that would pre-empt the Bishop of Mostar's repeated findings. Unfortunately, people have chosen to disregard the Bishop. As far as good fruits, Bayside was as phony as a $3 bill, but I know people who went through it, certainly prayed and fasted more, and continued these pious practices even after they saw the purported apparitions to be false. God can bring good out of such things. 4. The problems with Medjugorje are not its commercialization, that can happen with anything. The problem is that the disobedience was continued after the Bishop's letter in 1985. Among the many other problems are the fact that at least one of the seers, Ivan, admitted to having lied on substantive content in a purported vision at least once. Or in his words, "What I said did not correspond to the truth." I do not expect purported visionaries to be saints on earth. I do not expect them to be chosen if they can lie about any of the purported visions, because then any part of it can be a lie.

5. "Are you talking about the next Holy Father? If he turns out to be a holy man, Maria of Divine Mercy’s messages will be false." Agreed. Even if he turns out to be another Alexander VI, he will still be Pope, and we must allow the Holy Ghost to do his job, protecting the Church.

I agree that you did not bring up any condemned apparitions. I brought them up in response to your point that approval could take years. I gave examples of speedy approvals and condemnations, since we must also be aware of the possibility of either outcome.

And of course, you are free to post these things on FR. I never said you couldn't. I would recommend that you at least state clearly at the outset that this is a purported, unapproved apparition. Your original post just presents the whole thing as fact.

Heaven certainly hasn't been silent since Akita. The Holy Ghost and our Guardian Angels provide promptings from Heaven to us individually, and of course many of the approved prophecies already speak of things which have not yet taken place. And, though many purported apparitions remain unapproved, below is one from 2009 that is, from Egypt, where so much suffering is taking place among Christians.

http://www.zeitun-eg.org/stmaridx.htm

[Dr. Sivana]

WITH FORMATTING!

I never claimed to know everything. I do know that the Gates of Hell shall not prevail, and I cannot reconcile the content of the purported prophecy with the valid protection of an anti-pope. Pope Alexander VI did many evil things. He might even be in Hell. But, he was not an anti-Pope, and he never formally defined any false dctrines, and his office demanded obedience.

2. "Propagation" is a different matter because if you, even with good intention, promote a message with teachings against the Faith, you are (even unwittingly) undermining the Church's Mission.

3. The Vatican held its own review of Medjugorje. I have yet to see anything in that review that would pre-empt the Bishop of Mostar's repeated findings. Unfortunately, people have chosen to disregard the Bishop. As far as good fruits, Bayside was as phony as a $3 bill, but I know people who went through it, certainly prayed and fasted more, and continued these pious practices even after they saw the purported apparitions to be false. God can bring good out of such things.

4. The problems with Medjugorje are not its commercialization, that can happen with anything. The problem is that the disobedience was continued after the Bishop's letter in 1985. Among the many other problems are the fact that at least one of the seers, Ivan, admitted to having lied on substantive content in a purported vision at least once. Or in his words, "What I said did not correspond to the truth." I do not expect purported visionaries to be saints on earth. I do not expect them to be chosen if they can lie about any of the purported visions, because then any part of it can be a lie.

5. "Are you talking about the next Holy Father? If he turns out to be a holy man, Maria of Divine Mercy’s messages will be false." Agreed. Even if he turns out to be another Alexander VI, he will still be Pope, and we must allow the Holy Ghost to do his job, protecting the Church.

I agree that you did not bring up any condemned apparitions. I brought them up in response to your point that approval could take years. I gave examples of speedy approvals and condemnations, since we must also be aware of the possibility of either outcome.

And of course, you are free to post these things on FR. I never said you couldn't. I would recommend that you at least state clearly at the outset that this is a purported, unapproved apparition. Your original post just presents the whole thing as fact.

Heaven certainly hasn't been silent since Akita. The Holy Ghost and our Guardian Angels provide promptings from Heaven to us individually, and of course many of the approved prophecies already speak of things which have not yet taken place. And, though many purported apparitions remain unapproved, below is one from 2009 that is, from Egypt, where so much suffering is taking place among Christians.

http://www.zeitun-eg.org/stmaridx.htm

[Dr. Sivana]

Dr Sivana you are acting as a source of misinformation(as is Richard Salbato of UnityPublishing and many others who prefer to be sloppy with their language). Medjugorje has not been ‘Condemned’ as you might be fond of saying.

You might be confusing later findings by commissions with the original finding by the Bishop of Mostar.

Two different local Bishops in succession over a 22-year period, and a unanimous vote by a special Yugoslavian Bishops Conference have explicitly condemned the seers, and the messages of Medjugorje. The first official condemnation came from the local Bishop, Zanic, in 1985.M/I>

http://www.newjerusalem.com/GreatApostasy.htm Text of Bishop Zanic's letter

[vladimir998]

Western bishops wear mitres. There is no connection whatsoever between Near Eastern men wearing stylized fish mouths on their heads - that’s what your picture shows - and Christian bishops wearing mitres. There are, however, plenty of stupid, semi-literate twits who believe otherwise.

[Dutchboy88]

"Good. I suggest you pray more, and spare us all the invective and name-calling.

Who knows. Perhaps the Holy Spirit will work a miracle ... in you."

Forgive me if I have called you a name and if you would be so kind as to list that post, I would appreciate it.

For those of us who have escaped the clutches of organizations, we trust that someday you will see we were doing you a favor to call you to the freedom in Christ, alone. That was, and is, a miracle wrought by the Holy Spirit.

[crosshairs]

Huh? I always give Roman Catholics the benefit of our shared faith and steer clear of the “Mary” issue, but where is the scripture that tells us that Mary will crush the serpent? Is that official Church doctrine or just one person’s fantasy/opinion?

No kidding! What is THIS all about? Is Mary going to do it because the bully serpant was picking on her boy? Is Jesus not capable of doing it? This is unreal.

[crosshairs]

Private revelation requires the approval of the local bishop.

Joseph Smith had private revelations also.

[RansomOttawa]

Maybe this is the "May 31st" that the 5th Marian Dogma will be proclaimed?

Didn't realize that Harold Camping had converted to Romanism.

[RBStealth]

Really, you shouldnt be promoting visionaries unless you do your homework first. Its apparent your all too green and inexperienced at this.TWSC has a facebook page and its own website promoting itself. Visit the websites that try to discern whether this is true by whether they apparition messages say anything that goes against Church teaching or not. Ron Conte has been at this for a long while, he is not lying about what he finds in the messages.

Do your homework, read and weigh what others say. I’m not defending what any one person says.

[RBStealth]

Once again your being sloppy. A bishop can say the sky is green in a letter, but that would not be an official finding unless the Bishop did it according to Congregation Doctrine of the Faith guidelines.

What I said above was an example. Your link http://www.newjerusalem.com/condemnation.html Neither has the word condemnation or condemned in it. Neither does it have the words supernatural or any of the words that coincide with a finding:

constat de supernaturalitate: the event is confirmed to be of supernatural origin

constat de non supernaturalitate: the event is confirmed to be of non-supernatural origin

non constat de supernaturalitate: the event is not confirmed to be of supernatural origin

Rather I suggest you are looking at blather and presuming from that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_Me%C4%91ugorje http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_Me%C4%91ugorje
Bishop Perić wrote a personal letter declaring his position to be that nothing supernatural was occurring in Međugorje. Archbishop Tarcisio Bertone, the Secretary to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith that was presided over at the time by Cardinal Ratzinger, wrote in a letter to the bishop of Saint-Denis de la Réunion that "what Bishop Perić said in his letter... is and remains his personal opinion." Thus, no one was to regard Bishop Perić's statement as an official Church declaration. The intent of Bertone's statement was to clarify that the authority to make official declarations about the status of Medjugorje now fell to the commission led by the Bosnian bishops' conference, which was still investigating the apparitions.

Most everyone who is knowledgeable on this subject knows that their was at least two commissions on Medjugorje that reached non-conclusive findings that I have explained to you before(is not a condemnation or approval). However, the Vatican found the Bishop of Mostar predjudiced against Medj. in his public statements and the Vatican intervened and pulled authority and is now doing its own official commission.
http://www.cathnews.com/article.aspx?aeid=20089

If the Bishop of Mostar and its commision had 'condemned' Medjugorje then it would be case closed and the Vatican would be left with little or no options.


http://medjugorjedocuments.blogspot.com/ http://medjugorjedocuments.blogspot.com/2008/09/apparitions-types-of-decisions-church.html

[RBStealth]

ooops red!

[rawcatslyentist]

What about the inverted cross on the popes throne? Surely someone besides plenty of stupid, semi-literate twits have noticed.

There are so many illuminati, and satanic decorations in the Vatican it's hard to know where to start. Please don't feel this is a personal attack against people with faith. It's not against you or any other of God's children.

It's against your environment, and the non scriptural rituals. If they define you, at least look around and see what you are made of.

[Former Fetus]

I’ve checked with an Israeli Jewish FReeper. He says the Hebrew pronoun is masculine!