[Dr. Sivana]

I never claimed to know everything. I do know that the Gates of Hell shall not prevail, and I cannot reconcile the content of the purported prophecy with the valid protection of an anti-pope. Pope Alexander VI did many evil things. He might even be in Hell. But, he was not an anti-Pope, and he never formally defined any false dctrines, and his office demanded obedience. 2. "Propagation" is a different matter because if you, even with good intention, promote a message with teachings against the Faith, you are (even unwittingly) undermining the Church's Mission. 3. The Vatican held its own review of Medjugorje. I have yet to see anything in that review that would pre-empt the Bishop of Mostar's repeated findings. Unfortunately, people have chosen to disregard the Bishop. As far as good fruits, Bayside was as phony as a $3 bill, but I know people who went through it, certainly prayed and fasted more, and continued these pious practices even after they saw the purported apparitions to be false. God can bring good out of such things. 4. The problems with Medjugorje are not its commercialization, that can happen with anything. The problem is that the disobedience was continued after the Bishop's letter in 1985. Among the many other problems are the fact that at least one of the seers, Ivan, admitted to having lied on substantive content in a purported vision at least once. Or in his words, "What I said did not correspond to the truth." I do not expect purported visionaries to be saints on earth. I do not expect them to be chosen if they can lie about any of the purported visions, because then any part of it can be a lie.

5. "Are you talking about the next Holy Father? If he turns out to be a holy man, Maria of Divine Mercy’s messages will be false." Agreed. Even if he turns out to be another Alexander VI, he will still be Pope, and we must allow the Holy Ghost to do his job, protecting the Church.

I agree that you did not bring up any condemned apparitions. I brought them up in response to your point that approval could take years. I gave examples of speedy approvals and condemnations, since we must also be aware of the possibility of either outcome.

And of course, you are free to post these things on FR. I never said you couldn't. I would recommend that you at least state clearly at the outset that this is a purported, unapproved apparition. Your original post just presents the whole thing as fact.

Heaven certainly hasn't been silent since Akita. The Holy Ghost and our Guardian Angels provide promptings from Heaven to us individually, and of course many of the approved prophecies already speak of things which have not yet taken place. And, though many purported apparitions remain unapproved, below is one from 2009 that is, from Egypt, where so much suffering is taking place among Christians.

http://www.zeitun-eg.org/stmaridx.htm

[stpio]

“And of course, you are free to post these things on FR. I never said you couldn’t. I would recommend that you at least state clearly at the outset that this is a purported, unapproved apparition. Your original post just presents the whole thing as fact.

Heaven certainly hasn’t been silent since Akita. The Holy Ghost and our Guardian Angels provide promptings from Heaven to us individually, and of course many of the approved prophecies already speak of things which have not yet taken place. And, though many purported apparitions remain unapproved, below is one from 2009 that is, from Egypt, where so much suffering is taking place among Christians.”

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I am losing here if you look at people saying no to the
“yet to be approved” messages from Heaven.

Will you share again, name and give the “years” of a speedy approval of an apparition?

I am new to FR, Salvation, RBS and others are helping me
with the rules.

The content of the message, we should discuss, the 5th
Marian Dogma proclaimed and about the false pope. Both are a help for our brothers and sisters in Christ, when they
see these things happen, they’ll remember.

I believe God the Holy Spirit and our angels are saying
read the messages from Heaven. Heaven is speaking to
the messengers daily, how sad it must make Our Lord and
His mother for all the rejection.

Everyone, I check the Yahoo Groups - Seers2, Joyce Lang’s
forum daily.

take care, blessings to you Dr. Sivana,