Posted on 03/12/2012 10:28:57 AM PDT by Colofornian
If the press was so "wanting" to "vilify" Mormonism -- Mitt Romney's religion -- it'd trot out the offending Book of Mormon passages so that it wasn't all "second-hand" stuff...(Because, as it is, they leave it up to a "Oh, that's just this pastor's opinion"...Let the MSM report & the readers decide!).
But the Mormon church has scolded the MSM enough re: not to trample on its religion.
Well, I'll do the MSM's job for it!
Here's five Book of Mormon verses below talking about how the "skin of blackness" is a "cursing" based upon their "iniquity" (2 Nephi 5:21; Alma 3:6; Jacob 3:5) and how when the curse would be removed, they would again become "white" (3 Nephi 2:15), which the Book of Mormon says is a "delightsome" color (2 Nephi 5:21; cf. older version of 2 Nephi 30:6):
The Mormon "prophets" Nephi, Alma and the Mormon Jacob are racists!
* "And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceeding fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them." (2 Nephi 5:21)
* "...many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a white and delightsome people." (2 Nephi 30:6, pre-1981 versions...changed from unknown reasons in 1981 to "fair and delightsome"...It's not like the Mormon church has the supposed gold plates to go back and look to interpret a word differently)
* "And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against the their brethren..." (Alma 3:6)
* "Behold, the Lamanites your brethren, whom ye hate because of their filthiness and the cursing which hath come upon their skins..." (Jacob 3:5) [Note: The "Lamanites" per Mormonism are Native Americans...so their skin color, says Mormon "scripture" is based upon a supposed curse]
* "And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites." (3 Nephi 2:15) [Note: So...to be "uncursed" is to have your skin turn white...per Romney's Mormonism, that is!]
Some Mormons talk as if a darker skin color as-a-supposed-curse was just ONLY some talk in the past. Uh, no! Look at the verses above -- Alma 3:6 and Jacob 3:5, for example. They also talk as if the "curse of Ham" being a darker skin color was also just some teaching that's been jettisoned. Well, then why is the Book of Abraham phrasing still there (see Book of Abraham 1:24-27) in their Mormon "scripture" -- the Pearl of Great Price?
And it's not just two Mormonism's "sacred" "scriptures" which are racist (Book of Mormon; Pearl of Great Price)...so is the Lds "Doctrine & Covenants"...just do a Google search...pull up D&C 134:12...once the Dems & the MSM discover that verse...boy, will they have a field day with that one!
From the article: ...other religious figures have also criticized Mr. Romney for the passages in the Book of Mormon. In January, Dr. Obery Hendricks a professor of Biblical Interpretation at the New York Theological Seminary, wrote an op-ed article in The Huffington Post making similar accusations against Mr. Romney. “What concerns me is this: the Book of Mormon, the book that Mitt Romney and all Mormons embrace as divinely revealed scripture that is more sacred, more true, and more inerrant than any other holy book on earth, declares that black people are cursed,” said Mr. Hendricks in an MSNBC interview.
Santorum supporters doing Obama’s dirty work for him I see and going for the religion bait. Pretty embarrassing.
Well, it’s mid-1835. Smith is churning out new “Scripture.” Smith is taking aim at new converts. But in that time, did he believe the Mormon “gospel” to be aimed at slaves? (No, not unless express “permission” was granted by their “owners”).
Could you imagine a verse still applicable today—one similar to the Mormon scripture of Doctrine & Covenants 134:12—which would tell you in effect that yes, the gospel was for women who are sexually trafficked--but only if their Pimp-owner says "Yes?".
I mean, imagine if you will, for a moment, that you are the God of the universe; God of every planet; God of the earth; Creator of every person. Imagine for a moment you are speaking forth universal eternal truth. And then imagine that someone claims you (as God) made the following “Scriptural” statement:
”We believe it just to preach the gospel to the nations of the earth, and warn the righteous to save themselves from the corruption of the world; but we do not believe it right to interfere with bond-servants, neither preach the gospel to, nor baptize them contrary to the will and wish of their masters, nor to meddle with or influence them in the least to cause them to be dissatisfied with their situations in this life, thereby jeopardizing the lives of men; such interference we believe to be unlawful and unjust, and dangerous to the peace of every government allowing human beings to be held in servitude.”
D&C 134:12 is LDS “Doctrine” that has never been removed or rescinded!!! This passages makes it quite clear – in contrast to the apostle Paul who vied for the religious freedom of Onesimus while treating him as a full Christian brother and encouraged Philemon to do the same--somehow, LDS think that "religious freedom" applies to everyone except slaves!
D&C 134:12, written in 1835 pro-slavery America, made it quite clear that instead of the Mormons having a universal god who issued eternal truth applicable to all cultures, he is instead an American-sounding god who speaks only in King James English & was beholden to the American slavery industry.
D&C 134:12 "settles" the issue for the Mormon: Are slaves & trafficking victims worthy of the "gospel?" LDS Answer? Nope! "neither preach the gospel to, nor baptize them..." says LDS "Scripture.
And why not? Well, says D&C 134:12: We don't want ya ta meddle with the Mastuhs' business “property,” or to say it as precisely as LDS "scripture" says it: nor to meddle with or influence them in the least to cause them to be dissatisfied with their situations in this life...
(Nah. We can't have unhappy slaves or trafficking victims now, can we? Too disturbing to their "stations" of life, eh?)
Now what are the ultimate reasons for this again? D&C 134:12 provides the answer:
Reason #1: ...such interference we believe to be unlawful and unjust... (There ya have it...wouldn't want to be "unjust" by giving slaves the gospel & baptizing them, would ya?)
Reason #2: ...and dangerous to the peace of every government allowing human beings to be held in servitude. (And, of course, the "closer": Wouldn't want to disturb the peace & quiet of slavery-sanctioning governments, now would ya?)
This is what we have been saying on FR since 2007. It would be stupid to have a mormon nominee against a black man, but the RINO establishment is bent on proving that point.
I do not care what Romney’s religion is...he will NOT get my primary vote no matter what religion he happens to be.
on the other hand I, as a Catholic, would vote for Santorum or Newt (its a long way to April 24th....I dont know who will be where by then...)if they happened to be LDS.
our side needs to concentrate on the zer0 regime....not trash people on their religion...unless it happened to be the ROP which is a murder cult and not a religion.
Mormons are about 2% of the U.S. population. In a very good year for the GOP, maybe 95% of them might vote for the GOP candidate, or 1.9%.
I can cite you hundreds of examples about how ObaMao's racist hate America religion has been translated into harmful public policy. I can't cite one such example with Mormons unless you want to join the Obama administration in labeling Arizona's law on illegal aliens racist because a state legislator of the Mormon faith introduced it.
Your reaction here reminds me of a parallel...how people would be more upset over the pictures of aborted babies than the laws that allow them & the abortionists who would dismember them.
Since Romney is against a given baby in the womb (he favors allowing parents to "donate" them to research), he is not pro-life. But he puts up a pretense.
If I exposed Romney for the pro-life-taking bastard he is, with resulting dismembered babies' pix in accompaniment, I suppose you would comment that perhaps we should sequester that "dirty work" info & those pix lest somebody who wants to take even more pre-borns' lives get re-elected.
That's what so horrifying here...We have so-called "conservatives" implying, "Let's vote for the mass murderer; otherwise the mass-mass-mass murderer might get re-elected."
You? It's not the open racism that upsets or provokes you. No. It's that a critique of this racist-promulgation actually sees the light of the day.
It's this kind of 'tudes that allows both abortion and racism to flourish.
(And, of course, you were preaching this when all of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright threads were out in '08, right? And you've also, I suppose, weighed in, to stay away from Rev. Wright's religion over the literally THOUSANDS of FREEPER comments since then, right? No? What no consistency on your part?)
Way to go Rick. Just drive away the mormon vote and send them right into Romney’s arms.
Stupid idiots don’t think before they talk.
Why not say something about the jews, too. Drive them away as well.
(See post #8...you, too, were consistent in telling FREEPERS that in '08 with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright threads...??? Yes? No? Perhaps you can provide a link where you've given such a lecture to the Rev. Wright commentators)
Do you think before you talk? Romney already has up to 95% of the Mormon vote...
So, let's see...Mormons are 1.7% of the U.S. population...and only 5% of them (or so) don't vote for Romney...so you're now concerned that .08% of the U.S. population might be sprinting toward Mitt?
Do you think before you type?
However, I don't understand Republicans who think: Shhhh! If Republicans don't bring up these negative issues about Romney, Democrats will never find out about them and the public will never hear about them in the national election."
The Democrats know. They're already way ahead of the game. On this issue, you just saw Romney get tapped with a four-ounce, nylon-headed, watchmakers' hammer. In the fall, the Democrats (and the media) are going to be using 20-pound sledges on all of these issues.
Mr. Dozier's a liar. There's nothing about black Africans, or any other Africans, ANYWHERE in the Book of Mormon. The peoples with the dark skinned are the Lamanites, a people of Hebrewic origin, not African origin. And in fact, at various points in the Book of Mormon it is the dark skinned Lamanites that are the righteous ones and the white skinned Nephites who are wicked and cursed.
And your out of context quoting of the Book of Mormon reveals your never ending deceit Colofornia in misrepresenting LDS beliefs, such as where you post this out of context quote... "Behold, the Lamanites your brethren, whom ye hate because of their filthiness and the cursing which hath come upon their skins...finish the sentence Colofornia as shown in the book of Mormon in Jacob 3:4 "Behold, the Lamanites your brethren, whom ye hate because of their filthiness and the cursing which hath come upon their skins, are more righteous than you; for they have not aforgotten the commandment of the Lord, which was given unto our father—that they should have save it were bone wife, and cconcubines they should have none, and there should not be dwhoredoms committed among them.
Why don't you people actually READ the Book of Mormon before presuming to twist its teachings or pronounce it a racist document, an interesting charge coming from some Protestant faiths than maintain segregated white and black congregations in some parts of the South. If you did read the Book of Mormon, you'd read over and over about God and Christ telling of their love for the dark skinned Lamanite peoples and their restoring them to the Abrahamic blessings in the latter days.
And the Lord and his prophets spent more time excoriating the white skinned peoples of the Book of Mormon than he does the Lamanites. One example from Alma 60: 32 "Behold, can you suppose that the Lord will spare you and come out in judgment against the Lamanites, when it is the tradition of their fathers that has caused their hatred, yea, and it has been redoubled by those who have dissented from us, while your iniquity is for the cause of your love of glory and the vain things of the world?"
Alma 9:24 For behold, the promises of the Lord are extended to the Lamanites, but they are not unto you if ye transgress; for has not the Lord expressly promised and firmly decreed, that if ye will rebel against him that ye shall utterly be destroyed from off the face of the earth?
Alma 9: 16 For there are many promises which are extended to the Lamanites; for it is because of the traditions of their fathers that caused them to remain in their state of ignorance; therefore the Lord will be merciful unto them and prolong their existence in the land.
Again, it would help your credibility if you evidenced any sign of ever having read the Book of Mormon before trashing it.
I know mormons who were weren’t going to vote for mitt and did because they decided they wouldn’t vote for a candidate who didn’t like them. They saw the mormon bashing and changed their minds and voted for mitt.
With some of the close elections, that 5% could throw it.
Every vote counts... even the mormons’. So mormon hate can work against candidates. You bash romney, you bash them. Can’t have it both ways.
Actually, if you know the history of Mormonism, the original writings of their leaders, you'd be embarrassed for Mormons. Obama's team won't have to lie about this one because the truth about Mormonism is pretty damning.
Romney is a liberal because he is a mormon not in spite of it. Romney is who is because of his mormonism.
It might serve you well to learn about mormonism before you dismiss it as a non issue to who Romney is.
So, we should just bury the truth to appease a few voters, then hope against hope that Obama doesn't come out with it?
“Santorum supporters doing Obama’s dirty work for him I see and going for the religion bait. Pretty embarrassing.”
You can pretend this will never come out in the General election, but you are just ignoring the reality of a candidate in a cult.
He alienates the base of Conservative voters. He alienates the base of evangelical voters. He alienates the values voters. He is a poor candidate. It is far better that he be vetted now, before it all comes out later.
I’m not embarrassed by the truth, wherever I find it. I’m embarrassed by those who don’t care about truth, but want to be considered conservative... or Christians.
You could set your watch by mormons who immediately shriek “liar”, “deceiver”, every time the truth is revealed about mormonism.
I’ll resist contradicting your post, since other former mormons will give you the truth.
It will be up to you to actually think instead of having a knee-jerk attack on posters. I hope you do think.
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