Posted on 07/09/2011 11:27:26 AM PDT by armydoc
When I read post 64, I don't see him ever saying that, how did you conclude that was what he was saying?
Yes, that’s it...humm-mmm. My friend has not yet responded but may be out of town...she had a buying trip to take but she will confirm that I think. But I need a first name and that I simply don’t have..yet.
from post 64
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This how so many pedophiles got in. Most of them were horrified at their own desires and so like the gays before them ran to the shelter of celibacy. They should have been screened out, but the Seminary administrators were simply too desperate for bodies. Likewise homosexuals were permitted to be a lot more open, and even active about their sexuality because they were needed so desperately.
It is my opinion that this will not stop until we take a real serious look at lifting the celibacy requirement altogether. There already are married priests in the Roman Catholic rite, and the sky has not fallen. If we don’;t want Benedict “Glory of the Olives” to be the 2nd to last Pope as St Malachy reported prophesied, we need to take a very serious look at re-opening vocations to married men again.
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My comment was, “Pedophiles are not halped by marriage. Neither are homosexuals. Celibacy is not the problem.”
Go read his post again and you will see that he does a good job of describing the history of the declining priest pool, and how those shortfalls were filled by homosexuals and deviants, and that there is no obvious solution to changing what has become of the applicant pool.
He is not proposing allowing married priests so that the deviants would marry and become healed, he is suggesting allowing married men into the priesthood to replace them, and to create again, a vast pool of normal priest applicants.
I got that. I don’t think the church is helped by married priests, either. Do you need me to add that?
That would be relevant but your original description of his post was totally wrong and misleading.
You know what? If he thinks my description was “wrong and misleading,” why don’t you let him discuss it with me? Because I’m not going to discuss your impression of my impression of somebody else’s impression of the Church’s impression of homosexuality.
We are discussing his post as written and posted here, you have been mischaracterizing it in my opinion.
It was a brilliant post, and raised a very important argument, and a is great history of how the situation got to where it is now.
No one has challenged this portion of it yet. “At this point, The majority of ordained priests from the 1st world are gay. Simple as that, and this has been true for probably 50+ years and the Church has been well aware of it, and seen it as a “win-win” of sorts.”
Perhaps you think “we” are discussing his post. “We” no longer are.
The Vatican says that the offending priests from Abbate’s story will be sought out and stripped of their collars. Cardinal Agostino Vallini, head of the Rome diocese, is in charge of purging the offending clerics, and he has called on all gay priests who cannot respect the basic tenet of celibacy to get out of the priesthood. “Priests who are living a double life have not understood what the Catholic priesthood is and should not have become priests,” he said in a statement responding to the Panorama expose. “Consistency demands that they be discovered. We do not wish them ill, but we cannot accept that because of their behavior the honor of all the other priests is dragged through the mud.”Yes, that's quote the same thing as the Presbyterians ordaining open, practicing homosexuals. (/sarcasm)
The Vatican says that the offending priests from Abbate’s story will be sought out and stripped of their collars. Cardinal Agostino Vallini, head of the Rome diocese, is in charge of purging the offending clerics, and he has called on all gay priests who cannot respect the basic tenet of celibacy to get out of the priesthood. “Priests who are living a double life have not understood what the Catholic priesthood is and should not have become priests,” he said in a statement responding to the Panorama expose. “Consistency demands that they be discovered. We do not wish them ill, but we cannot accept that because of their behavior the honor of all the other priests is dragged through the mud.”Yes, that's quote the same thing as the Presbyterians ordaining open, practicing homosexuals. (/sarcasm)
Thank you for the kind words. That was indeed precisely my point. To many good men who are right now consigned to the deaconite or Third order religious life would make excellent priests if they were allowed to be, and people would after the recent scandals, be more inclined to trust a married priest who had children of his own
Thank you for the kind words. That was indeed precisely my point. To many good men who are right now consigned to the deaconite or Third order religious life would make excellent priests if they were allowed to be, and people would after the recent scandals, be more inclined to trust a married priest who had children of his own
'Tis an easy thing. I just imagine that they are Calvinists and why then, the doing is a piece of cake!!! :)
Actually I did not. Nor did I pepper my speech with various, shall we say, colourful language.
LOL, Anyway, next time call him a no better than Heretical ELCA Martin Lutheran Bishop and a pawn of the Democrat party.
I did make reference to his weightlifting lesbian nun factotum carrying his robes for him.
You’re a fighter, I have seen that.
Nonsense. I am as pacifist as a barrel of Jane Fondas well supplied with marijuana.
Your post has had a big effect on me, I have always been very pro-celibacy for the priesthood and have always defended it from the position that ending it would weaken the Catholic church and was a form of attack on it, but you have led me to see that it can strengthen, and perhaps even save the church.
There doesn’t seen to be another way to stop the natural drifting of religious homosexuals and deviants to the priest pool except by totally banning them 100% even on mere suspicion, and that would leave almost no applicants as things stand, and there isn’t very much time left to act because by your estimate, already the majority of priests are homosexual, at some point they will have an iron grip on the system, and then we are looking at corruption within the entire church as they take it over.
The angry public reaction that the Catholic church sees in regards to the gay issue, is the suspicion/fear, that the system has already been accepting closet deviants to make up short falls, for so many generations or decades, that the system itself is compromised, that the deviants are a part of the hiring, training, and disciplinary process now.
“There doesn’t seen to be another way to stop the natural drifting of religious homosexuals and deviants to the priest pool except by totally banning them 100% even on mere suspicion, and that would leave almost no applicants as things stand”
I don’t think that’s true, because conservative areas report a large number of vocations. Perhaps normal men avoid the seminaries because the sodomites infest them, but will return once the situation is cleaned up.
You were right in your long-held opinion that celibacy is important. We don’t have to give that up to get the sodomites out of the priesthood. That can only be accomplished by banning them from the seminaries and throwing them out of the priesthood.
It doesn’t have to be done on mere suspicion. Men who suffer from same-sex attraction disorder cannot stop themselves from acting out, sooner or later.
The Holy Father has already moved in the direction of removing sodomites from the priesthood. Perhaps not as rapidly or dramatically as you or I might wish, but I’m willing to accept that he is wiser than I.
“The angry public reaction that the Catholic church sees in regards to the gay issue, is the suspicion/fear, that the system has already been accepting closet deviants to make up short falls, for so many generations or decades, that the system itself is compromised, that the deviants are a part of the hiring, training, and disciplinary process now.”
It is true that the system has accepting closet deviants for several decades, that the system itself is compromised, and that the deviants are now a part of the hiring, training, and disciplinary process.
However, they weren’t accepted to make up for shortfalls. They weaseled their way in through deception, then began making things easier for those who came after.
We’ve seen it in a number of places with both sodomites and leftists. That’s how they take over an organization, an industry, or a profession.
I hope you read post 64 again, I don’t think the labor shortage is being fixed or can be, and as far as waiting for a man to “act out”, by then that man will already be a priest, inside the system, and destroying young souls.
Looking at post 64, I see some very incorrect information.
There is not, nor has there been, a “pedophile scandal.” The problems were almost monolithically with common, garden-variety homosexuals. The number of offenses against pre-pubesent children has been miniscule.
If a person hasn’t been paying enough attention to know that fundamental fact, I have to wonder what their opinion could be worth.
As a Catholic, you refer to the falloff in vocations as a “labor shortage?” How odd.
Vocations are already on the upswing in conservative dioceses, and have been for some time. As the Vat II generation priests pass, they will be replaced by a new generation of young priests committed to undoing the depredations of those enemies of the Church. Just doing away with altar girls would produce a double-digit surge in vocations, and ridding the seminaries of sodomites would do even more.
The Church is not dead, nor, despite Satan’s best efforts, is it dying.
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