St. Juan Diego's tilma: "completely outside" science

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St. Juan Diego's tilma: "completely outside" science

Monday August 24, 2009

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A physicist who has spent years researching the tilma bearing the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe is affirming that there is no scientific explanation for the phenomenon.

Adolfo Orozco stated this in a presentation given at an International Marian Congress that took place Aug. 6-8 in Phoenix.

The congress, sponsored by the Knights of Columbus, the Phoenix Diocese and the Institute of Guadalupan Studies, was dedicated to Our Lady of Guadalupe.

Orozco gave a presentation on the image of the Virgin imprinted on St. Juan Diego's tilma, stating that it is "completely outside" any scientific explanation.

He explained that due to the humid, salty environment around the basilica where the tilma is kept in Mexico City, the cloak material should have decomposed years ago.

In fact, the researcher noted, this is what happened to a painted copy of the image that was made in 1789, on a material similar to the original tilma.

Although the copy was preserved behind glass, like the original, it had to be discarded eight years later because it was falling apart and the painting was fading, the physicist reported.

The original image, however, which was imprinted on the cloak when the Blessed Virgin appeared to the saint, remains intact after 478 years.

Orozco told his audience that this phenomenon is heightened by the fact that it should have been destroyed twice, once when nitric acid was accidentally spilled on a section of the cloth, and another time when a bomb exploded close to it.

He affirmed that there is no natural explanation for how the image has survived undamaged through time and potentially destructive events such as these.

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Here's another scientific article about the tilma of St. Juan Diego.

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[Servant of the Cross]

Happy Feast Day St. Juan Diego.

[pgkdan]

bump...

[NYer]

Hillary Clinton leaves flowers for Our Lady of Guadalupe, asks ‘Who painted it?’

Sorry ;-) .... I have never forgotten that story. It always makes me laugh.

[georgia peach]

The smartest woman in the world!

[Salvation]

It is funny to think that she actually said that. And she is our Secretary of State?

We are in bigggggggg troubbbble!

[topcat54]

Why is it that there are no parlor trick “miracles” like this recorded in the Bible, yet they seem to be the mainstay of the RCC?

[wideawake]

"Why are there no parlor trick miracles like this recorded in the Bible"

Good point. There are no talking donkeys in the Bible, or mysterious writing appearing on walls, or a staff that turns into a snake. You really know your Bible well.

[Eepsy]

You mean like creating wine out of water because a steward misjudged the number of wedding guests? Or causing a fish to bite a hook so the fisherman can retrieve the gold coin stuck in its mouth? Or curing blindness with mud and spit instead of just commanding the blind man to see?

Protestants sure seem to have a problem with material spirituality sometimes....

[wideawake]

This image of Our Lady is even more beautiful than its basilica isn’t.

[Hoodat]

O the things you can do with a couple of loaves of bread and some fish. And then there's that little trick Elijah played with filling jars with oil. Or the one where he doused an alter twice with water before commanding it to burst into flames. And what about that little thing Moses did with the Red Sea? Or that whole deal with Lazarus coming out of the grave? Or what about . . .

I got news for you all. God is every bit alive and working mightily in our lives today as he was two thousand, three thousand, or four thousand years ago. Did you hear the one about the autistic boy who didn't talk until he was four, but now at the age of 6 is speaking and relating to others? And by the way, there isn't anything wrong with God's painting abilities either.

[Salvation]

No faith for these people who don’t believe in miracles?

Go figure that one out. Our bodies are miracles, no matter what age we are!

[cookcounty]

OK, I give up. What on earth is a “tilma?” And why is it impossible to paint images on them?

[pbear8]

A tilma was a garment worn by peasants, it’s simply a cloak made from local plant (cactus) material and, under normal circumstances, would deteriorate in a few years. One could paint on them but the tilma in question has no known paints or brush strokes on it. Scientists cannot explain how the image was made.

[fatima]

My favorite site,
Full story of Our Lady of Guadalupe .
Sometime a long time ago I was sent material on a Movie that was to be done in which Juan was a Prince.Also a book was to follow that I never received.The movie was never made.Wish I had more tome to study these things.If you go to the website you can light a candle for your intentions.:)

http://www.sancta.org/

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Thanks.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Why is it that there are no parlor trick “miracles” like this recorded in the Bible, yet they seem to be the mainstay of the RCC?

Because Christians in the Bible did not misidentify hallucinations as miracles.

The vision at Guadalupe and the vision at Fatima and the vision at Lourdes are really and truly the hallucination at Guadalupe and the hallucination at Fatima and the hallucination at Lourdes.

A religion built on hallucinations is not a Scriptural faith and those who put their faith in hallucinations stand on shifting sand.