Posted on 08/29/2010 10:22:33 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
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Can We Better Understand Glenn Beck's Divine Destiny
By Understanding What the Mormon Church Says About The Constitution, America, and the Last Days?
By Brannon S. Howse
www.worldviewweekend.com
Understanding the end-time beliefs of the Mormon Church and their view of America and the Constitution may help you understand "Glenn Beck's Divine Destiny". The guest on my radio program today was Ed Decker, a former Mormon for twenty years before becoming Christian. On the program I played sound bites of a speech given by Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson entitled "Our Divine Constitution" and Ed responds. Please remember that Glenn has said that he is a Mormon and to our knowledge has never publically renounced his Mormon religion.
Glenn Beck said on his TV program on August 26, 2010, that the event on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial on Saturday, August 28, 2010, will not a political event. A few days before this Glenn said the event will not be a Christian event but a God event. What God are we talking about? Is Glenn acknowledging that it is indeed all about a spiritual agenda that has been well laid out by leading Mormon leaders including the now deceased President of the Mormon Church, Ezra Taft Benson? Glenn said that the money for this event was raised months ago. Did the Mormon Church assist in covering the costs for this event and if so for what purpose? Here are the sound bites we played on the radio program today from the speech given by Ezra Taft Benson.
Ezra Taft Benson: I reverence the Constitution of the United States as a sacred document. To me its words are akin to the revelations of God, for God has placed His stamp of approval upon it.
Brannon Howse: This is out right heresy! We are told in Deuteronomy 4:2 not to "add to the word which I commanded you, nor take from it." Saying the Constitution is "akin to the revelation of God" is adding to the Bible and is for sure lowering the supremacy of the Word of God and thus heresy. If the Constitution is akin to the Word of God, why has it been changed so many times?
Ezra Taft Benson: I have faith that the Constitution will be saved as prophesied by Joseph Smith….It will be saved by enlightened members of this Church-among others-men and women who understand and abide the principles of the Constitution.
Brannon Howse: It is the Mormon Church and "enlightened" Mormons that will save America? If America is to be saved it will not be by the false gospel and false Jesus of the Mormons following the principles of the Constitution that they have elevated to being equal to the words of God. 2 Chronicles 7:14 says that "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." Part of the wickedness America needs to turn from is following the Jesus of the cults or the Jesus of Oprah's New Age Movement. The very thing the Mormons are doing and many Christian Americans are following, will actually not reclaim America but bring God's judgment.
Ezra Taft Benson: Have we read The Federalist papers? Are we reading the Constitution and pondering it? Are we aware of its principles? Are we abiding by these principles and teaching them to others? Could we defend the Constitution? Can we recognize when a law is constitutionally unsound? Do we know what the prophets have said about the Constitution and the threats to it?
Brannon Howse: I am all for returning to the original intent of America's Founding Fathers but the cross is higher than the flag and the Word of God is above the Constitution. If we really want to defend a Constitutional Republic we must get back to the Word of God; not the Mormon Bible and Mormon teachings on end-time beliefs and building God's Kingdom on earth or the New Jerusalem in Independence, Missouri as they believe.
Ezra Taft Benson: We are fast approaching that moment prophesied by Joseph Smith when he said: "Even this nation will be on the very verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground, and when the Constitution is upon the brink of ruin, this people will be the staff upon which the nation shall lean, and they shall bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction" (19 July 1840, as recorded by Martha Jane Knowlton Coray; ms. in Church Historian's Office, Salt Lake City).
Brannon Howse: The Mormon Church, in recent years, has found itself in another public relations problem so Ed Decker says they have backed away from this belief. However, all Mormons know of this prophecy by Joseph Smith and believe the Mormon Church and its "enlightened members of this Church" will restore America's honor. Sound familiar? Is this the goal of Glenn Beck's restoring America's Honor rally? Is Glenn Beck part of this Mormon movement that will restore America and usher in the "Kingdom of God" on earth? What does Glenn Beck mean by God? Does Glenn reject the Mormon god that was a man of flesh and bone that evolved to be the God of this universe by living a good Mormon life? Does Glenn believe he can become a god with many goddess wives that will populate their own planet? Does Glenn believe that Jesus is the brother of Satan that was voted by a council to come to earth? By his own admission he has said that 80% of his life revolves around the Mormon Temple. Glenn owes it to all of us that have watched him to answer these questions particularly since Glenn has challenged the president to be public about his beliefs.
Ezra Taft Benson: Only in this foreordained land, under its God-inspired Constitution and the resulting environment of freedom, was it possible to have established the restored church. It is our responsibility to see that this freedom is perpetuated so that the Church may more easily flourish in the future. The Lord said, "Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land" (D&C 98:6).
Brannon Howse: So in the end, the big push for returning to the founding principles is for the goal of the flourishing of the Mormon Church? How many people are aware of this ultimate goal? How many Americans want to live in a Mormon theocracy? Before you say they are not for a theocracy you had better read the "Law of Consecration" that Mormons swear to in the LDS temple ritual. Among other things, the officiator requests they swear to "consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you , to the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion."
Ezra Taft Benson: Our Father in Heaven planned the coming forth of the Founding Fathers and their form of government as the necessary great prologue leading to the restoration of the gospel. Recall what our Savior Jesus Christ said nearly two thousand years ago when He visited this promised land: "For it is wisdom in the Father that they should be established in this land, and be set up as a free people by the power of the Father, that these things might come forth" (3 Ne. 21:4). America, the land of liberty, was to be the Lord's latter-day base of operations for His restored church.
Brannon Howse: So the god of the Mormons, who was once a man of flesh and bone, planned America so the gospel of the Mormon Church could be restored? When did Jesus visit the promise land, which they call America? You will only find that in the Mormon Bible. Notice Taft is quoting from the Mormon Bible where they say that Jesus declared that America would become the "Lord's latter-day base of operations for His restored church."
If Glenn Beck's event on 8/27 and 8/28 are not political events but spiritual events don't you think people should be aware of the spiritual and political agenda of the Mormon Church that Glenn has said 80% of his life revolves around?
If Glenn said come to these two events to learn more about the Constitution of the United States which is equal to the inspired Word of God; how many Christians would still attend? Sadly, I believe most American Christians have the knowledge and Biblical discernment of a gnat and even if Glenn publically equated the Constitution as "akin to the revelations of God…" as did Ezra Taft Benson that they would still be at his beck and call because they are so hungry for a conservative leader and so eager to reclaim the founder's original intent. I believe many self-professing Christians will betray God's ordained Word which will surely guarantee that we do not reclaim America but that our destiny will be divine judgment. It appears to me that "Glenn Beck's Devine Destiny" is nothing more than a "divine" deception.
Pray for those who judge out of ignorance/prejudice.
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Joey Smith is dead...
Its too late for him...
He had 38 years to get right with God...
How much more time did he need ???
He just plum run outa it...
More like blood libel
Ed Decker? Oh puleeze.
More anti-Mormon(ism if you prefer) propaganda... different day.
Undecided readers,
As an ex Mormon-basher, I invite everyone to read all of the multitude of Anti-Mormon attack threads and/or comments on this board and then do some research on your own from more than one side of the “issues”.
Is what all these Mormon attack squad people parrot day in and and day out on these boards true? Don’t take their word for it. Find out for yourself. Put forth some effort. You do want the truth right? Prove it.
Read both sides! Talk to both sides! Not just mine. Not just theirs. Make up your own mind.
Here’s a few links to get your started from a different viewpoint. The vast majority of the issues brought up can be found and addressed at http://www.fairlds.org/ I have found but here’s more.
http://scriptures.lds.org/
http://www.lds.org
http://www.fairlds.org/
http://www.mormonwiki.com/Main_Page
http://www.lightplanet.com/response/index.html
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.answeringantimormons.com/index.htm
http://promormon.blogspot.com/
I did not have access to the live broadcast of the event. I believe Beck sincerely loves this country, but I am underwhelmed by this event because it is declared to be a 'spiritual' event lead by secular people, and a polytheistic mormon to boot. I cannot, as a Christian, honestly say that I pray to the same God Beck prays to. How, then can we claim a common 'spiritual' basis.
My gut feeling - this is more a cult of Beck that has tapped into "good feeling" evangelicals who are blind to mormonism. Again, Beck's religious world view is mormonism - all his religious speech must be evaluated with that in mind.
As we could see by the Patriotic t-shirts and US colors amply represented I think the public saw this as a Patriotic event. Most Patriots have a belief in our God and our country connected and founded on that belief.
The problem is as you have stated....additionally my concern of his attempting to unite all religions...though this under the banner of devotion to God...it does matter the God he is referring to.
One of the praying speakers kept praying to Gotz...I am hoping that was simply poor speaking skills but I listened carefully and he continued praying to Gotz.
I am grateful Beck seemed to have galvanized people....in a Patriotic sense. But caution about him and his intentions from a spiritual perspective is concerning. I'd prefer he stay on course and leave the spiritual matters to those who know better than he about matters of faith. Currently he is in the dark about such things.
Exactly.
The problem is as you have stated....additionally my concern of his attempting to unite all religions...though this under the banner of devotion to God...it does matter the God he is referring to.
The True God will not share His glory with a false image and I think it is prophetic of the times that Christians who should know better, blissfully sweep that aspect under the rug just because the term "God" is used.
Years ago, mormonism tried to make itself part of the Promise Keepers movement and almost succeeded until the watchmen in the group raised the issue - mormons are not Christians and we should not be yoked with them. I was on the Washington mall that day with a million+ other Christians of all denominations on our faces praying and repenting of the sins of this country. Fast forward to today - this event has the appearance of a pep rally where God loves the USA just because we are the USA - with no evidence of repentance for allowing things to get this way. God allowed the leaders we deserved because of our collective unrighteousness and I saw nothing in this rally's reports of serious repentance - just a lot of human effort and works to bring the country around.
Jeremiah 18:9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it;
10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.
That's true...the closest Beck came was saying the US had made mistakes...to leave the past behind and move forward. .....but I was irritated when he mentioned we'd made mistakes and that over again and again...sounded to much like Bo on his international tour. I was just very cautious listening....and will continue to do so. You know as well as others do that deception is just that and oftentimes appeals to the senses to entice. People are generally not aware until they have swallowed the bait..and Mormonism works that way...and attracts those who are emotional people...and accounts for Becks attraction as well. So we shall see...we are entering the times of deception which will increase more and more. People need to be grounded in what the scriptures say within the context they are written and not believe every TV/Radio Personality who quotes them...I am afraid many will indeed be misled.
What are you talking about? Sheesh! I am not nor ever was Mormon....thank God! But what stuff are you smoking with this ridiculous rant...you have your facts all screwed up...might be time to sleep it off. Then we can have a reasonable conversation.
You’re probably right Greyfoxx...it is just we know that the Mormon church is playing footsy with those of Islam...that other faiths are attempting to make nice with Islam needs to be made clear who they are. Hinduism has already opened their doors to every faith imaginable...and the push to unite the faiths is moving right along. The players in that are becoming more clear.
Soory to tell you this Paragon Defender, but the real issue is rational people vs. conspiracy theorists. These conspiracy theorists will argue the ideas of this Ed Decker all day, even when its obvious that most of us regular Americans would never let the Mormon Church run our country, with or without that Ed Decker conspiracy theory junk. I doubt many of these people can be reasoned with, but thanks for encouraging us to try and read some of the thought-provoking material that the Mormons have to say.
Similar beliefs does not confirm association. This is a fallacy. As someone who attended a liberal Episcopal school (look up the policies of the Episcopal Church, and what it split over) the same was said by the liberal students at this school, that Islam and Muhammad, along with others, had elements of truth to them. Is the Episcopal Church on your list for approving of those similar words? I just wonder if it is. Because you don’t sound as if you know the facts about how powerful of a force Islam is, especially with help from political correctness that Mormonism does not have at all.
For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive EVEN THE ELECT—if that were possible. Matthew 24:24
Years ago, mormonism tried to make itself part of the Promise Keepers movement and almost succeeded until the watchmen in the group raised the issue - mormons are not Christians and we should not be yoked with them
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Interesting...
do you have more info on this ???
Maybe Beck thinks he is starting a mormon “Promise Keepers” following and completing what the earlier mormons failed to do...
Since it sounds like you are not in the Christian camp I will give you back your pity, you will need it at some point
I am astounded that so much is read into such a simple statement.... Based on your attack, you embody the very heart of religious warfare.
No wonder religious wars have raged for thousands of years....
Someone who lives by the propaganda of Joseph Smith has little room to criticize the words of others....the ridiculous claims of mormon leaders through the years of speaking with God and Jesus, of being personally visited by "Peter James, John the Baptist and Jesus", the leaders that claimed the nation's founding fathers demanded to be proxy-baptized into mormonism...the church that baptizes by proxy souls that are dead as members of the mormon church...church presidents and leaders who were led astray by a con man's tale of a "white salamander who transformed itself into an 'old spirit,' struck Joseph Smith three times, and made him unable to retrieve the golden plates at that time."...salamander? ROTFL!
Reading the link I provided would have made clear that association IS confirmed.
A Latter-day Saint Perspective on Muhammad
"A cabinet minister in Egypt, aware of the common ground shared by Muslims and Latter-day Saints, once remarked to Elder Howard W. Hunter of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles that “if a bridge is ever built between Christianity and Islam it must be built by the Mormon Church.” 13 The examples of Latter-day Saint–Muslim interaction mentioned above, together with the Church’s establishment in 1989 of two major centers for educational and cultural exchange in the Middle East (Jerusalem and Amman), reflect the traditional attitude of respect for Islam that Church leaders have exhibited from earliest times. These activities represent tangible evidence of Latter-day Saint commitment to promote greater understanding of the Muslim world and witness an emerging role for the Church in helping to bridge the gap that has existed historically between Muslims and Christians."
This comment from you makes no sense to me at all.
"Because you don’t sound as if you know the facts about how powerful of a force Islam is, especially with help from political correctness that Mormonism does not have at all."
It is the mormon church who is reaching out to Islam in a very PC way.
We've seen that with the 0bamanation.
So we shall see...we are entering the times of deception which will increase more and more. People need to be grounded in what the scriptures say within the context they are written and not believe every TV/Radio Personality who quotes them...I am afraid many will indeed be misled.
The Bible warns that even some of the elect will be deceived. I'll be cautious too, "we" restory God to this country - nope, we repent as a nation, then God restores His mercy and grace again. One think they can on their own works move God, the other moves God by repudating their works.
The Mormon Church is reaching out to Islam.
Doesn’t mean that Islam really even cares, or will continue to care. Put in mind that Mormonism is guilty of a high blasphemy to Islam. They are guilty of believing that God himself came down and lived as a human being. Islam does not allow god to be portrayed in a human way. Those who believe this are infidels. Local Muslims have also cooperated with Christian Churches (Catholic and Protestant) in a variety of locations. Once again, you fail to show me something unique to this church. Once again, let me tell you exactly what I have heard at an Episcopal School, which none of the staff disapproved of. There is no association confirmed, just the attempt to reach out, which is a proven failure when you ask how many Muslims convert to Mormonism, or Christianity? Does this Church think that they can win? The idea is ludicrous.
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