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Blood on the tracks Berlin-Baghdad Express: The Ottoman Empire and Germany's Bid for World Power 189
Abu Dhabi's The National (Book Review) ^ | July 23, 2010 | Book Reviewer Matthew Price

Posted on 07/25/2010 12:23:24 AM PDT by casuist

[...] Though it had been convulsed by internal disputes, the Ottoman Empire was still a formidable power in 1914. But, as so often happens in history, a wrong bet had profound historical consequences. That bet was the alliance with Germany that brought the Turks into the war on the side of the Central Powers. It was a fateful decision. Prodded by the Kaiser (the allure of German marks also helped) the Turkish regime went to war against its historical enemy, Russia. This, in itself, was not an absurd wager. However, the German end of the bargain was an altogether different proposition: taking aim at the British empire and its 100 million Muslim subjects, Wilhelm II cooked up a breathtaking plan to unleash the furies of an Islamic power on the British Raj and Egypt and harness the glories of the Near East to German imperial interests [...]

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TOPICS: History; Islam; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: caliphate; godsgravesglyphs; islam; kaiserwilhelmii; wwi
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Suddenly everything makes sense, wouldn't you say?
1 posted on 07/25/2010 12:23:28 AM PDT by casuist
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To: casuist

I don’t know that I by this. I don’t think KW ever planned anything like this. Besides, one of the reasons for WWI was that the parties involved thought the Ottoman Empire was on their last legs, and wanted a finger in the pie. You can’t ascribe modern feelings about, “the Muslim world,” to a time they didn’t apply.


2 posted on 07/25/2010 12:27:47 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: casuist

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3 posted on 07/25/2010 12:32:22 AM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: casuist

“No mistakes but the biggest..”


4 posted on 07/25/2010 12:43:58 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: casuist

I don’t see the profound revelation here.

It’s the same thing that went on in colonial america. European powers battled each other on american soil and enlisted native american allies for assistance. The one with the most “natives” had a distinct advantage. The one with the most knowledge of his natives was most able to persuade his natives to carry out his orders.

Same strategery as was applied to the various muslim tribes, but with less impressive finesse.


5 posted on 07/25/2010 12:51:39 AM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: mamelukesabre

True, and it didn’t work that well with Muslims because Islam doesn’t work the same way Native American religions do.

It, by default, establishes non-Muslims as inferior and marks them for extermination, and regards all forms of collaborations outside of faith as blasphemy, unless the co-operation involves a bigger gain (Taquiyyah).


6 posted on 07/25/2010 1:11:45 AM PDT by James C. Bennett
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“It, by default, establishes non-Muslims as inferior and marks them for extermination”

Not the islam Turks spread. Inferior yes, paid a tax yes but you lived, at a time when even Christians didn’t get along (to say the least) among different churches.


7 posted on 07/25/2010 1:23:31 AM PDT by mainsail that ("A man will fight harder for his interests than for his rights" - Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: mainsail that

By ‘extermination’ I didn’t mean slaughter, but rather, elimination of the faiths outside of Islam.

Things like converting the Hagia Sofia into a mosque, etc.


8 posted on 07/25/2010 1:27:58 AM PDT by James C. Bennett
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To: casuist
Two more subjects on this subject:

James Buchan's classic wartime novel Greenmantle

On secret service east of Constantinople by Peter Hopkirk

From the "cover" text:

Under the banner of Holy War, masterminded in Berlin and unleashed from Constantinople, the Germans and the Turks set out in 1914 to foment violent revolutionary uprisings against the British in India and the Russians in Central Asia. It was a new and more sinister version of the Great Game, with world domination as its ultimate aim.

9 posted on 07/25/2010 1:28:53 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy
Two more books on this subject.
10 posted on 07/25/2010 1:29:46 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Lenin was also an agent sent to Moscow by the Kaiser some 3 years later.


11 posted on 07/25/2010 1:35:18 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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Lenin was also an agent sent to Moscow by the Kaiser some 3 years later.

Yes, almost all misfortunes during the bloody 20th century can be traced back to WW I. Even the EU did have its ideological origins NOT in the aftermath of WW II but in WW I:

The Great Deception by Richard North and Christopher Booker.

12 posted on 07/25/2010 1:43:07 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: casuist

A Protestant emperor wanted to start a Muslim jihad. that seems very telling.


13 posted on 07/25/2010 4:12:27 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: casuist; MestaMachine; Islaminaction
Went to Amazon to look at this work, and of course something by some filthy islamist stealth-jihad amazon-user pops up in the running comments:

"US should seize assets of Billionaires who support zionist crimes"

This seems to be an Amazon discussion with more than 2000 posts.

You can't escape the jihad by minding your own business, and it will come to a shooting war right there in the US.

14 posted on 07/25/2010 4:24:56 AM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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15 posted on 07/25/2010 4:31:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: nickcarraway
I don’t think KW ever planned anything like this.

KW had the German general staff plan all sorts of, well, interesting things. Which is what military general staffs do: plan for EVERYTHING (in relation look at the different wartime scenarios the US planned for post-WWI in their "Rainbow" series of plans).

One thing that really ticked KW off was how the upstart Americans had managed to acquired a nice big empire in short order as a result of the Spanish-American War. He had the General Staff work up a plan to take it away.

Knowing that Germany couldn't sustain a long-term fight overseas in either the Caribbean or Asia (against Pershing in the Philippines), the plan they worked up was to invade the US EAST COAST between NYC and Boston (including Long Island, parts of CT and RI), and hold the land long enough to "trade" for the Spanish-American War acquisitions. They figured that with most US regular Army out defending (and maintaining control - remember the Moros in the Philippines?) the colonies they could overwhelm local US defenses (militias, remaining regular Army) and wait the US government into a settlement.

Robert Conroy wrote a pretty good alternate history of this plan, where it didn't remain hypothetical and unimplemented, in his "1901" novel.
16 posted on 07/25/2010 4:38:21 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: casuist
The title you created

"Kaiser Wilhelm’s plan was to unleash the furies of Islamic power, a jihad, on the British Raj"

did not match the linked article you posted, nor did the date of the published article.

Instead of pulling this thread, we replaced your made up title with the published title and then changed the date to match the date of publication of the article.

Please do not alter any published titles nor create your own title. Just copy and paste the title found above the article, and use the date of the article's publication.

Since this was a book review, that was added to the source along with the location of the publication.

Thanks.

17 posted on 07/25/2010 4:49:12 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: casuist

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18 posted on 07/25/2010 5:02:05 AM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: mainsail that
Sometimes life is worse than death..for those who survived.

Turk Muslims spread the most evil form of destruction in annals of history. They are truly perverted. Devshirme, enslavement, asiatic tortures...you name it they did it.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/10/ottoman_dhimmitude.html

19 posted on 07/25/2010 11:47:12 AM PDT by eleni121 (But now, he that has a moneybag take it; without a sword let him sell his garment, and buy one.)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Also, please keep in mind that the post WW2 German left-wing terrorist group Red Army Faction (Baader-Meinhoff Gang) obtained funding and logistics support not only from left-wing Communist East Germany (Stasi police), but also from Baghdad and Gaza.

The Berlin-Baghdad Express was still running in 1967. Still running in 1990. Gulf War 1. Still running in 1998. RAF Baader-Meinhoff “dissolved” after 1998, but Fischer of this terrorist group won control of Germany’s Prime Minister and used his power to have Germany oppose the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003.


20 posted on 07/25/2010 12:15:17 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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