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The Great Heresies
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Posted on 03/21/2010 3:03:29 PM PDT by NYer

From Christianity’s beginnings, the Church has been attacked by those introducing false teachings, or heresies.

The Bible warned us this would happen. Paul told his young protégé, Timothy, "For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own likings, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander into myths" (2 Tim. 4:3–4).

What Is Heresy?

Heresy is an emotionally loaded term that is often misused. It is not the same thing as incredulity, schism, apostasy, or other sins against faith. The Catechism of the Catholic Church states, "Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it. Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and Catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him" (CCC 2089).

To commit heresy, one must refuse to be corrected. A person who is ready to be corrected or who is unaware that what he has been saying is against Church teaching is not a heretic.

A person must be baptized to commit heresy. This means that movements that have split off from or been influenced by Christianity, but that do not practice baptism (or do not practice valid baptism), are not heresies, but separate religions. Examples include Muslims, who do not practice baptism, and Jehovah's Witnesses, who do not practice valid baptism.

Finally, the doubt or denial involved in heresy must concern a matter that has been revealed by God and solemnly defined by the Church (for example, the Trinity, the Incarnation, the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, the sacrifice of the Mass, the pope's infallibility, or the Immaculate Conception and Assumption of Mary).

It is important to distinguish heresy from schism and apostasy. In schism, one separates from the Catholic Church without repudiating a defined doctrine. An example of a contemporary schism is the Society of St. Pius X—the "Lefebvrists" or followers of the late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre—who separated from the Church in the late 1980s, but who have not denied Catholic doctrines. In apostasy, one totally repudiates the Christian faith and no longer even claims to be a Christian.

With this in mind, let's look at some of the major heresies of Church history and when they began.

The Circumcisers (1st Century)

The Circumcision heresy may be summed up in the words of Acts 15:1: "But some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brethren, 'Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.'"

Many of the early Christians were Jews, who brought to the Christian faith many of their former practices. They recognized in Jesus the Messiah predicted by the prophets and the fulfillment of the Old Testament. Because circumcision had been required in the Old Testament for membership in God's covenant, many thought it would also be required for membership in the New Covenant that Christ had come to inaugurate. They believed one must be circumcised and keep the Mosaic law to come to Christ. In other words, one had to become a Jew to become a Christian.

But God made it clear to Peter in Acts 10 that Gentiles are acceptable to God and may be baptized and become Christians without circumcision. The same teaching was vigorously defended by Paul in his epistles to the Romans and the Galatians—to areas where the Circumcision heresy had spread.

Gnosticism (1st and 2nd Centuries)

"Matter is evil!" was the cry of the Gnostics. This idea was borrowed from certain Greek philosophers. It stood against Catholic teaching, not only because it contradicts Genesis 1:31 ("And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good") and other scriptures, but because it denies the Incarnation. If matter is evil, then Jesus Christ could not be true God and true man, for Christ is in no way evil. Thus many Gnostics denied the Incarnation, claiming that Christ only appeared to be a man, but that his humanity was an illusion. Some Gnostics, recognizing that the Old Testament taught that God created matter, claimed that the God of the Jews was an evil deity who was distinct from the New Testament God of Jesus Christ. They also proposed belief in many divine beings, known as "aeons," who mediated between man and the ultimate, unreachable God. The lowest of these aeons, the one who had contact with men, was supposed to be Jesus Christ.

Montanism (Late 2nd Century)

Montanus began his career innocently enough through preaching a return to penance and fervor. His movement also emphasized the continuance of miraculous gifts, such as speaking in tongues and prophecy. However, he also claimed that his teachings were above those of the Church, and soon he began to teach Christ's imminent return in his home town in Phrygia. There were also statements that Montanus himself either was, or at least specially spoke for, the Paraclete that Jesus had promised would come (in reality, the Holy Spirit).

Sabellianism (Early 3rd Century)

The Sabellianists taught that Jesus Christ and God the Father were not distinct persons, but two.aspects or offices of one person. According to them, the three persons of the Trinity exist only in God's relation to man, not in objective reality.

Arianism (4th Century)

Arius taught that Christ was a creature made by God. By disguising his heresy using orthodox or near-orthodox terminology, he was able to sow great confusion in the Church. He was able to muster the support of many bishops, while others excommunicated him.

Arianism was solemnly condemned in 325 at the First Council of Nicaea, which defined the divinity of Christ, and in 381 at the First Council of Constantinople, which defined the divinity of the Holy Spirit. These two councils gave us the Nicene creed, which Catholics recite at Mass every Sunday.

Pelagianism (5th Century)

Pelagius denied that we inherit original sin from Adam's sin in the Garden and claimed that we become sinful only through the bad example of the sinful community into which we are born. Conversely, he denied that we inherit righteousness as a result of Christ's death on the cross and said that we become personally righteous by instruction and imitation in the Christian community, following the example of Christ. Pelagius stated that man is born morally neutral and can achieve heaven under his own powers. According to him, God's grace is not truly necessary, but merely makes easier an otherwise difficult task.

Semi-Pelagianism (5th Century)

After Augustine refuted the teachings of Pelagius, some tried a modified version of his system. This, too, ended in heresy by claiming that humans can reach out to God under their own power, without God's grace; that once a person has entered a state of grace, one can retain it through one's efforts, without further grace from God; and that natural human effort alone can give one some claim to receiving grace, though not strictly merit it.

Nestorianism (5th Century)

This heresy about the person of Christ was initiated by Nestorius, bishop of Constantinople, who denied Mary the title of Theotokos (Greek: "God-bearer" or, less literally, "Mother of God"). Nestorius claimed that she only bore Christ's human nature in her womb, and proposed the alternative title Christotokos ("Christ-bearer" or "Mother of Christ").

Orthodox Catholic theologians recognized that Nestorius's theory would fracture Christ into two separate persons (one human and one divine, joined in a sort of loose unity), only one of whom was in her womb. The Church reacted in 431 with the Council of Ephesus, defining that Mary can be properly referred to as the Mother of God, not in the sense that she is older than God or the source of God, but in the sense that the person she carried in her womb was, in fact, God incarnate ("in the flesh").

There is some doubt whether Nestorius himself held the heresy his statements imply, and in this century, the Assyrian Church of the East, historically regarded as a Nestorian church, has signed a fully orthodox joint declaration on Christology with the Catholic Church and rejects Nestorianism. It is now in the process of coming into full ecclesial communion with the Catholic Church.

Monophysitism (5th Century)

Monophysitism originated as a reaction to Nestorianism. The Monophysites (led by a man named Eutyches) were horrified by Nestorius's implication that Christ was two people with two different natures (human and divine). They went to the other extreme, claiming that Christ was one person with only one nature (a fusion of human and divine elements). They are thus known as Monophysites because of their claim that Christ had only one nature (Greek: mono = one; physis = nature).

Orthodox Catholic theologians recognized that Monophysitism was as bad as Nestorianism because it denied Christ's full humanity and full divinity. If Christ did not have a fully human nature, then he would not be fully human, and if he did not have a fully divine nature then he was not fully divine.

Iconoclasm (7th and 8th Centuries)

This heresy arose when a group of people known as iconoclasts (literally, "icon smashers") appeared, who claimed that it was sinful to make pictures and statues of Christ and the saints, despite the fact that in the Bible, God had commanded the making of religious statues (Ex. 25:18–20; 1 Chr. 28:18–19), including symbolic representations of Christ (cf. Num. 21:8–9 with John 3:14).

Catharism (11th Century)

Catharism was a complicated mix of non-Christian religions reworked with Christian terminology. The Cathars had many different sects; they had in common a teaching that the world was created by an evil deity (so matter was evil) and we must worship the good deity instead.

The Albigensians formed one of the largest Cathar sects. They taught that the spirit was created by God, and was good, while the body was created by an evil god, and the spirit must be freed from the body. Having children was one of the greatest evils, since it entailed imprisoning another "spirit" in flesh. Logically, marriage was forbidden, though fornication was permitted. Tremendous fasts and severe mortifications of all kinds were practiced, and their leaders went about in voluntary poverty.

Protestantism (16th Century)

Protestant groups display a wide variety of different doctrines. However, virtually all claim to believe in the teachings of sola scriptura ("by Scripture alone"—the idea that we must use only the Bible when forming our theology) and sola fide ("by faith alone"—the idea that we are justified by faith only).

The great diversity of Protestant doctrines stems from the doctrine of private judgment, which denies the infallible authority of the Church and claims that each individual is to interpret Scripture for himself. This idea is rejected in 2 Peter 1:20, where we are told the first rule of Bible interpretation: "First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation." A significant feature of this heresy is the attempt to pit the Church "against" the Bible, denying that the magisterium has any infallible authority to teach and interpret Scripture.

The doctrine of private judgment has resulted in an enormous number of different denominations. According to The Christian Sourcebook, there are approximately 20-30,000 denominations, with 270 new ones being formed each year. Virtually all of these are Protestant.


Jansenism (17th Century)

Jansenius, bishop of Ypres, France, initiated this heresy with a paper he wrote on Augustine, which redefined the doctrine of grace. Among other doctrines, his followers denied that Christ died for all men, but claimed that he died only for those who will be finally saved (the elect). This and other Jansenist errors were officially condemned by Pope Innocent X in 1653.

Heresies have been with us from the Church's beginning. They even have been started by Church leaders, who were then corrected by councils and popes. Fortunately, we have Christ's promise that heresies will never prevail against the Church, for he told Peter, "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" (Matt. 16:18). The Church is truly, in Paul's words, "the pillar and foundation of the truth" (1 Tim. 3:15).

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1 posted on 03/21/2010 3:03:29 PM PDT by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...

A Sunday evening ‘refresher’ course ping!


2 posted on 03/21/2010 3:04:12 PM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer

Pat knows them all, and he’ll tell you about them with Greek translations. Riveting dinner-table conversation, right up there with Bill’s food-safety lectures.


3 posted on 03/21/2010 3:05:50 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Mother of your new alien overlords. You want to be on my good side.)
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To: NYer

Good starter list....not sure why Islam is not included on this Roman Catholic list. Most Christians I know consider it a heresy, esp given its origins.


4 posted on 03/21/2010 3:18:12 PM PDT by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: NYer

What the author refers to as “private judgment” among Protestants is an explicit rejection of the position of the Catholic church. The number of Protestant denominations may be seen by Catholics as a mark of contradiction, but it is our strength. When you remove many of the differences in practice, there is remarkable harmony between Protestant denominations about the role of Scripture, faith, and of Christ.

Protestantism has survived the test of time for good reasons; it too, is based on the Rock, Jesus.


5 posted on 03/21/2010 3:27:19 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: NYer

So, call me a heretic. I still believe in the one true God.


6 posted on 03/21/2010 3:29:37 PM PDT by irishtenor (Beer. God's way of making sure the Irish don't take over the world.)
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To: NYer
Great list. Here are some more:

The Great Heresies

John Calvin’s Worst Heresy: That Christ Suffered in Hell
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America Succumbs to Heresy
The Bishop Discovers Heresy?
From Orthodox to Heresy: The Secularizing of Catholic Universities
Progressivism/Liberalism is Heresy [Excellent read & reference]

Is heresy better than schism? [Ecumenical]
Modernism: The Modernist Heresy
THE GREAT HERESIES-THE MODERN PHASE
The Protestant Heresy
The Gospel According to Mary Magdalene

Americanism, Then and Now: Our Pet Heresy (encyclical of Pope Leo XIII)
Heresies then and now: ancient Christian heresies practiced in modern times
The Plain Truth About The Baptist Bride Heresy
Balthasar, Hell, and Heresy: An Exchange (is it compatable with the Catholic faith?)
Heresies then and now: ancient Christian heresies practiced in modern times

Know Your Heresies
The Rev. John Piper: an interesting look at "heresy vs. schism"
Pietism as an Ecclesiological Heresy
Heresy
Arian Heresy Still Tempts, Says Cardinal Bertone (Mentions Pelagianism As Well)

Catholic Discussion] Church group stays faithful (to heresy!)
An overview of modern anti-Trinitarian heresies
Where heresy and dissent abound [Minnesota]
Gnostic Gospels - the heresy entitled "Gnosticism."
Christian mavericks find affirmation in ancient heresies

The So-Called ‘Gospel’ of Judas: Unmasking an Ancient Heresy
Benedict XVI Heresies and Errors
Donatism (Know your heresies)
The Heresy of Mohammed (Chapter 4, The Great Heresies)
Father & Son Catholic Writers Tag-Team Old & New Heresies

7 posted on 03/21/2010 3:47:57 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer
Since this author is portraying Protestants as heretics & false teachers, I think the advisory board of the group making this portrayal ought to be alerted. Why? Well advisory board members like Michael J. Behe, J. Budziszewski, Dinesh D'Souza, Robert George, James Hitchcock, Peter Kreeft, Rabbi Daniel Lapin, Paul Vitz, and Christopher Wolfe all probably have as many if not more Protestant readers than RC ones...

(And if they are in agreement about broadbrushing Protestants as "heretics" & "false teachers" -- then may I recommend Protestant reconsider purchasing books authored by the above?)

I think there are some Protestants who indeed have introduced some false teachings. That's not the issue with the way this article is written. The author has lumped all Protestants with all heretical groups.

I think it's time for FREEPERS to e-mail these authors above & let them know either (a) they don't appreciate their association with this group; and/or (b) unless they remove that association, their books will be boycotted.

Robert George & Budziszewski, I'm sure, have been interviewed on plenty of Protestant-based radio programming. Perhaps it's time for that to change!

8 posted on 03/21/2010 3:55:13 PM PDT by Colofornian (If you're not going to drink the coffee, at least wake up and smell it.)
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To: Colofornian

The heresies common to virtually all Protestants are the so called sola scriptura and sola fide. The article explains that. There are many other heresies that some Protestant sects hold, and some don’t, not worth discussing here piecemeal.


9 posted on 03/21/2010 4:23:21 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: eleni121

Islam is simply a false religion, like many others. Only a baptized Christian may be a heretic.


10 posted on 03/21/2010 4:25:00 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: eleni121
not sure why Islam is not included on this Roman Catholic list. Most Christians I know consider it a heresy, esp given its origins.

Excellent point. Indeed Islam is a heresy.

11 posted on 03/21/2010 4:45:37 PM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: GAB-1955
The number of Protestant denominations may be seen by Catholics as a mark of contradiction, but it is our strength.

On the contrary. Can there be more than one interpretation of the Bible? No. The word "truth" is used several times in the New Testament. However, the plural version of the word "truth" never appears in Scripture. Therefore, there can only be one Truth. So how can there be over 20,000 non-Catholic Christian denominations all claiming to have the "Truth"?

12 posted on 03/21/2010 4:47:08 PM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: Colofornian
I think there are some Protestants who indeed have introduced some false teachings. That's not the issue with the way this article is written. The author has lumped all Protestants with all heretical groups.

See my post #12.

13 posted on 03/21/2010 4:48:40 PM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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But you left out the greatest heretic of them all...The Catholic church which calls itself the one true church that Jesus founded...

And then this:

Finally, the doubt or denial involved in heresy must concern a matter that has been revealed by God and solemnly defined by the Church (for example, the Trinity, the Incarnation, the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, the sacrifice of the Mass, the pope's infallibility, or the Immaculate Conception and Assumption of Mary).

You apparently chose to believe that the God of the Bible has revealed some sort of extra Biblical truth to your popes even tho many were drunks, committed fornication, bore kids out of wedlock, were homosexuals and child molesters, passed on the position to family, and even sold the position of the head of the magisterium to others, and killed each other for the title...

And God revealed to these insults to Christianity that theirs was the one, true religion, that they, themselves were infallible and that Mary had an immaculate conception, etc., etc...

The heretics you describe are mild to laughable compared to the heresy of the Catholic religion...

14 posted on 03/21/2010 4:51:07 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: NYer
How did those Orthodox and Copts get here? How many rites in the Catholic Church? There’s less orthopraxy than you think.
15 posted on 03/21/2010 4:51:09 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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How many rites in the Catholic Church?

Although it is not widely known in our Western world, the Catholic Church is actually a communion of Churches. According to the Constitution on the Church of the Second Vatican Council, Lumen Gentium, the Catholic Church is understood to be "a corporate body of Churches," united with the Pope of Rome, who serves as the guardian of unity (LG, no. 23). At present there are 22 Churches that comprise the Catholic Church. The new Code of Canon Law, promulgated by Pope John Paul II, uses the phrase "autonomous ritual Churches" to describe these various Churches (canon 112). Each Church has its own hierarchy, spirituality, and theological perspective. Because of the particularities of history, there is only one Western Catholic Church, while there are 21 Eastern Catholic Churches. The Western Church, known officially as the Latin Church, is the largest of the Catholic Churches. It is immediately subject to the Roman Pontiff as Patriarch of the West. The Eastern Catholic Churches are each led by a Patriarch, Major Archbishop, or Metropolitan, who governs their Church together with a synod of bishops. Through the Congregation for Oriental Churches, the Roman Pontiff works to assure the health and well-being of the Eastern Catholic Churches.

While this diversity within the one Catholic Church can appear confusing at first, it in no way compromises the Church's unity. In a certain sense, it is a reflection of the mystery of the Trinity. Just as God is three Persons, yet one God, so the Church is 22 Churches, yet one Church.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church summarizes this nicely:

"From the beginning, this one Church has been marked by a great diversity which comes from both the variety of God's gifts and the diversity of those who receive them... Holding a rightful place in the communion of the Church there are also particular Churches that retain their own traditions. The great richness of such diversity is not opposed to the Church's unity" (CCC no. 814).

Although there are 22 Churches, there are only eight "Rites" that are used among them. A Rite is a "liturgical, theological, spiritual and disciplinary patrimony," (Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches, canon 28). "Rite" best refers to the liturgical and disciplinary traditions used in celebrating the sacraments. Many Eastern Catholic Churches use the same Rite, although they are distinct autonomous Churches. For example, the Ukrainian Catholic Church and the Melkite Catholic Church are distinct Churches with their own hierarchies. Yet they both use the Byzantine Rite.

To learn more about the "two lungs" of the Catholic Church, visit this link:

CATHOLIC RITES AND CHURCHES

The Vatican II Council declared that "all should realize it is of supreme importance to understand, venerate, preserve, and foster the exceedingly rich liturgical and spiritual heritage of the Eastern churches, in order faithfully to preserve the fullness of Christian tradition" (Unitatis Redintegrato, 15).

A Roman rite Catholic may attend any Eastern Catholic Liturgy and fulfill his or her obligations at any Eastern Catholic Parish. A Roman rite Catholic may join any Eastern Catholic Parish and receive any sacrament from an Eastern Catholic priest, since all belong to the Catholic Church as a whole. I am a Roman Catholic practicing my faith at a Maronite Catholic Church. Like the Chaldeans, the Maronites retain Aramaic for the Consecration. It is as close as one comes to being at the Last Supper.

16 posted on 03/21/2010 4:59:55 PM PDT by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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Interesting about the rites.

Didn't you post a few articles about the absolute need for clerical celibacy a few weeks ago? How many rites beside the Latin right are forbidden to have married priests?

17 posted on 03/21/2010 5:48:30 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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redgolum:

None are, since all of them are Eastern Sui Juris Catholic Churches and those would fall under the Codes of Canon Law for the Eastern Catholic Church. There may some restrictions on Married Catholic Priests in areas that are overwhelmingly Roman/Latin Rite, but in their own jurisdictions they do have a married clergy.


18 posted on 03/21/2010 7:33:03 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: annalex; NYer
The heresies common to virtually all Protestants are the so called sola scriptura and sola fide.

Let's deal with sola fide -- first -- the Romans & Galatians epistle revelation that defeated the idea that self-justification was justifiable.

Excerpt from http://www.eefweb.org/sermons/topical/The%20Five%20Solas%20of%20the%20Reformation/Part%204%20-%20Sola%20Fide.htm:

The Catholic position in opposition to Luther’s Sola Fide was that the grace of God, by His good pleasure was poured into us. As this pouring or infusing occurred, it made us righteous and thus able to perform good works. Our free will cooperating with the grace then performed the works and together made us fit for salvation. It was taught that only by our will cooperating with grace and producing good works was the sinner able to merit salvation. Therefore, grace was infused and we cooperate with it to produce good works that belong to us. Those good works improve with time until they are such that we have pleased God enough to grant us salvation. Justification to the Catholic mind was then a process, not an event by declaration. Perhaps nowhere can the Roman Church’s rebellion against this doctrine be found any stronger than in the 1563 Council of Trent canons. We have already seen the authority of scripture, the lone Priestly role of Christ as Mediator and Redeemer. We have also seen that the way of salvation exists only because of the inestimable grace of God. Salvation would not exist had God in His mercy not provided a means for atonement and propitiation of His wrath. In evaluating Sola Fide, we shall see that the righteousness that the justified sinner stands in is not the works which by performing he has merited grace. Rather we will see that the only efficacious righteousness that will save us is being clothed with the righteousness of another—the righteousness of Christ imputed to us.

Of course, the Catholic position is the Scripturally off-base posture of synergism.

My Q to you: If you can't even confess "Jesus is Lord" in a culture of persecution, minus the Holy Spirit's power, how can you take credit for any other good work He does in and through you? (And why would you want to even try -- given the Scriptural reality that we're to glorify God in ALL that we do?)

19 posted on 03/21/2010 7:34:44 PM PDT by Colofornian (If you're not going to drink the coffee, at least wake up and smell it.)
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To: Colofornian
Robert George & Budziszewski, I'm sure, have been interviewed on plenty of Protestant-based radio programming. Perhaps it's time for that to change!

I don't really understand the point of your objection.

Obviously the Catholic Church thinks Protestants are in an objective state of heresy (although the term "heretic" is usually reserved for a Catholic who departs from the faith to found a new sect), and Protestants* think Catholics are in an objective state of heresy.

*(Most, all, some: you pick)

That's not picking a fight or being nasty; it's just being clear and concise about doctrinal points.

Obviously -- to pick one example -- the Blessed Virgin Mary cannot both be immaculately conceived and not immaculately conceived at the same time, so somebody is a "false teacher" on that particular subject. And the list of such subjects is unfortunately a rather long one.

Most of those men you mention are Catholic (although I'm not entirely clear why Rabbi Daniel Lapin made your list). If Protestants want to listen to them, they are free to do so; if they don't, they're free not to. Presumably they listen to them because they have something to say (and a skillful way of saying it) with which those Protestants agree or from which they learn.

20 posted on 03/21/2010 7:36:35 PM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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