Posted on 03/15/2010 12:07:15 PM PDT by Colofornian
Edited on 03/23/2010 6:15:31 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
When Glenn Beck told listeners of his radio show on March 2 that they should "run as fast as you can" from any church that preached "social or economic justice" because those were code words for Communism and Nazism, he probably thought he was tweaking a few crunchy religious liberals who didn't listen to the show anyway. Instead he managed to outrage Christians in most mainline Protestant denominations, African-American congregations, Hispanic churches, and Catholics...
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Well, I agree...in terms of who was lost.
Yet, there's still a dimension of "finding" the Lord...as evidenced in these two verses:
Seek the LORD while he may be found; call on him while he is near. (Isaiah 55:6)
Obviously, if He didn't manifest His presence as being near, there's no way we would find Him.
Yet the apostle Paul makes it clear that even this "finding" cannot be credited to us:
And Isaiah boldly says, "I was found by those who did not seek me; I revealed myself to those who did not ask for me." (Romans 10:20)
Hence, if God did not reveal Himself, we'd be up a creek...a rushing creek...heading rapidly for a deep abyss.
Bumping the thread and changing a tag line.
So, are you saying that having faith that Rome or the Holy Land exists is the same exact thing as having faith in God? Sorry, but that is apples and oranges. It’s not even that, it’s more like apples and pieces of chipped, cheap china.
It is not splitting hairs. If I have to DO something in order to be saved, then it is considered a work, no matter how small it is or insignificant it is.
You’re changing definitions of words in order to justify your beliefs. Typical.
And for the record in this thread:
I know that nothing is better for them than to rejoice, and to do good in their lives, and also that every man should eat and drink and enjoy the good of all his labor it is the gift of God.
- Ecclesiastes 3:12-13
Freely you have received, freely give.
- the aforementioned Jesus Christ, Matthew 10:8b; NKJV
These maxims are consistent in Scripture. God invented freedom. God opposes "progressive" socialism.
No, you are right, we can’t probably do all the work for the dead before I die, but the work for the dead will continue even during the millennium. Of course, if you really knew as much about the Mormon Church as you seem to profess you do, then you would have known that.
You need to do the math. Suppose that there were only 20 billion people who were/are descendants of Adam and Eve. I’m shooting a little high here, but that’s to make a point. Suppose during the millennium, that was work done for one person every second. How many years would it take to do it for all of them. Give you a big hint, less than 700 years. Okay, I did the math.
Now, what was your point again?
Circular logic Rev 911. In order for you to prop up your beliefs, you resort to circular logic.
You call it “splitting hairs”, I call it “pointing out the flaws in your arguments.”
Then it wasn’t you who found Christ if he wasn’t lost, rather it’s the other way around. According the the others on this thread, nobody, except Christ, can find anybody, not even themselves, else that would be considered a work and we wouldn’t want that, now would we?
Are you saying that those verses say that God only reveals Himself to those who aren’t seeking Him and then in the first verse you quoted, it commands us to seek the Lord.
And you say there is no contradiction in the Bible.
You said that the accuracy of the Bible must be taken on faith, but there is more to the Bible than that, much more. the Bible is a history as well, the people places and things do not have to be taken on faith. Indeed when it boils down to it the ONLY questions of faith in the Bible would be were these actions of God or not, was Christ more than a mere Man and such.
The BOM cannot even begin to reach that standard. If I have to take the tangible on faith, as well as what is beyond...
Well...
Wow...
The desperation is palatable when one stretches that far...
That's ok; for others do.
28. Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"
29. Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
On the day of the battle Eli, old and blind, was sitting beside the door of the Tabernacle, his heart trembling for the ark of the Lord. A man came from the army running, with his garments torn, and with earth on his head as a sign of sorrow. As the man came near the city and brought the news of the battle a great cry rose up from the people. When Eli heard the noise he said, "What does this noise mean? What has happened?"
The man came before Eli, and said "I have just come from the army. There has been a great battle. Israel has fled before the Philistines, and very many of the people have been killed. Your two sons are dead, and the ark of God has been taken by the enemy."
When the old man heard this last word, that the ark of God was taken, he fell backward from his seat and dropped dead upon the ground. And all the land mourned and wept over the loss of the ark more than over the victory of the Philistines.
The Philistines took the ark of God down to Ashdod, one of their chief cities. They set it in the temple of Dagon, their fish-headed idol. The next morning, when they came into the temple, the image of Dagon was lying upon its face before the ark of the Lord. They stood the image up again; but on the next morning, not only was Dagon fallen down before the ark, but the hands and the head of Dagon had been cut off and were lying on the floor.
Besides all this, in the city of Ashdod, where the ark had been taken, all the people began to have boils and sores. They saw in this the hand of the God of Israel, and they sent the ark to Gath, another of their cities. There, too, the people broke out with boils and sores. They sent the ark to Ekron, but the people of that city said, "We will not have the ark of God among us. Send it back to its own land, or we shall all die."
Then the rulers of the Philistines resolved to send back the ark of God into the land of Israel. They placed it upon a wagon, and before the wagon they yoked two cows. The cows had calves, but they tied the calves at home, in order to find whether the cows would go home to their calves or would take the ark away. But the cows took the road which led away from their own calves, straight up the hills toward the land of Israel, and they turned neither to the right hand nor the left.
The cows drew the ark up to the village of Beth-shemesh, where the people were reaping their wheat harvest on the hillsides. They saw the ark, and were glad. The cows stopped beside a great stone in the field. Then the men of Beth-shemesh cut up the wagon, and with it made a fire, and on the stone as an altar offered the two cows as an offering to the Lord.
But the men of Beth-shemesh opened the ark and looked into. This was contrary to God's command, for none but the priests were allowed to touch the ark. God sent a plague upon the people of that place, and many of them died, because they did not deal reverently with the ark of God. They were filled with fear and sent to the men of Kirjath- jearim, asking them to take the Ark away. They did so, and for twenty years the Ark stood in the house of a man named Abinadab in Kirjath-jearim.
They did not take the Ark back to Shiloh, for after the death of Eli the place was deserted, the Tabernacle fell into ruins, and no man lived there again.
WHICH 'god' would you want on YOUR side?
And if the person DOES 'attempt' to explain to you; do you find THOSE verses any more enlightening?
He is a THORN in our flesh that is SO annoying; but we can't seem to get rid of him!
--MormonDude(King Henry II reference)
Urroner, if, as many of those on your side say, the BoM is easy to read and understand, why was there ever a need for the Articles of Faith??
Why all the D&C's?
Why the Pearl of Great Price?
Where will it all END?
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