Posted on 03/15/2010 12:07:15 PM PDT by Colofornian
Edited on 03/23/2010 6:15:31 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
When Glenn Beck told listeners of his radio show on March 2 that they should "run as fast as you can" from any church that preached "social or economic justice" because those were code words for Communism and Nazism, he probably thought he was tweaking a few crunchy religious liberals who didn't listen to the show anyway. Instead he managed to outrage Christians in most mainline Protestant denominations, African-American congregations, Hispanic churches, and Catholics...
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You say that the writers of the Bible were “proven” true prophets. How were they “proven” true prophets? Was it some undeniable scientific test or is it still a matter of faith?
If it’s something that I have to do, then it is a work. Plain and simple.
If it’s something that I don’t have to do, then it’s grace.
If I have to make a decision to accept something or not, it’s a work.
If God decides to save me, do I have a choice?
If God decides to not save me, do I have a choice?
I am familiar with most of the currently avail MSS, including having worked on the DSS myself. What is interesting about the fragments, external quotes and the MSS is that is shows an AMAZINGLY accurate translation and continuity of the texts. IOW, the MSS we have shows that the Bible has been preserved much, much better than many other texts (including secular) of the period or later. I see the hand of God in that.
Furthermore, I believe the Bible is inerrant in matters of faith and doctrine. 99% of the ‘variants’ are word order or spelling that does not change the translation. None of the so called variants affect matters of faith and doctrine.
It is a matter of fact if you have read the MSS and/or done translation work.
Now...about those plates?? We at least have MSS close to the time period and external historical evidences in support of the contents, what do the LDS have? Nothing.
Any academic (believer or not) would have an issue accepting the opinion regarding transmission and translation of religious text from someone who claims faith in the Book of Mormon.
Don’t like it since they changed the recipe. It used to be better. But I am sure we could work something out.
You say that the writers of the Bible were “proven” true prophets. How were they “proven” true prophets?
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The test of a prophet is if they give a false prophecy. Even one false prophecy excludes them as being a prophet.
Smith had several.
If I have to make a decision to accept something or not, it’s a work.
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No it isn’t. It is acceptance of a gift. Sticking out your hand and saying thank you is NOT a work.
But the LDS, who cling to the idea that we contribute to our salvation (exaltation), they need to make everything, even a prayer, a work.
You are assuming predestination, I believe we do have a choice to obey or not, but acceptance is not a work. To say it is, shows exactly how the LDS do not ‘get it’ at all.
Name one prophecy that happened. Oh, I guess there could be one, say enough stuff and something is bound to happen correctly. .-)
If it is still something that I have to do, some decision I have to make, to accept or reject the gift, it is something that I have to do. That is not grace.
Grace is something that Christ did for us, work is something that we have to do, even if it’s a little itty bitty teeny weeny thing, it’s still a work. The only way you have of getting around that problem is to redefine “work” and I see that you are attempting to do so.
If you can’t see that, that it’s you that do not “get it” at all.
LOL. I am just assuming there is one. I will have to re-read my Doctrine & Covenants.
Seems that would make booking a flight an act of faith as well, if the existence of such places is a act of faith to begin with.
Must make piloting a plane rather difficult, especially if they are arguments as to exactly where to land...
Or could end up in the Nephite capitol...
What saves, or works or Christ’s work. Acceptance is NOT a work.
Is saying ‘thank you’ for a gift having to work for that gift? NO. That is not ‘redefining work’. Even our change of heart is a response to Christ’s work, not of our own searching for Him, He draws us to Him, He changes us, He saves us, He sanctifies us. It is all Him, not us.
You are splitting hairs in order to justify LDS doctrine. Typical.
Or could end up in the Nephite capitol...
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Send me a postcard, I hear it is UNREAL!
Of course I have. Even done the ordinances for the dead myself a few times, that is why I asked, “Have you “damned those to hell” (or the lowest kingdom in your LDS belief) who never have the saving ordinances performed on their behalf?”
Do you have an answer, because surely you don’t think Mormons alone can possibly do all the ordinances for all the people alive right now - or all who have ever lived. Do the math, if you can.
well, in some instances they are specifically cited n Scripture
Acts 28:25 They disagreed among themselves and began to leave after Paul had made this final statement: "The Holy Spirit spoke the truth to your forefathers when he said through Isaiah the prophet:
interestingly - that verse points to the HS as well - part 3 of the Trinity
additionally - the Bible tells us this
2 Peter 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
I know you abhor cut and paste - but check this link - with regards to prophets, it is for the most part complete
have a good night friend
http://biblelight.net/false-prophets.htm
well, in some instances they are specifically cited n Scripture
Acts 28:25 They disagreed among themselves and began to leave after Paul had made this final statement: "The Holy Spirit spoke the truth to your forefathers when he said through Isaiah the prophet:
interestingly - that verse points to the HS as well - part 3 of the Trinity
additionally - the Bible tells us this
2 Peter 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
I know you abhor cut and paste - but check this link - with regards to prophets, it is for the most part complete
have a good night friend
http://biblelight.net/false-prophets.htm
Amen.
You have to split hairs when that’s all you have.
Really,.....Isn't He the lucky one...what a surprise to him LOL
So true.
Really,.....Isn’t He the lucky one...what a surprise to him LOL
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Exactly. He wasn’t the one that was lost, I was.
see Rom 13
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