Posted on 11/19/2009 8:53:31 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
The Vatican has just completed a five day conference on astrobiology where scientists convened to discuss the detection and implications of extraterrestrial life. A major driving force behind the conference was the Director of the Vatican Observatory, the Jesuit priest Father Jose Gabriel Funes. In May 2008, Funes gave an interview to the Vatican’s L’Osservatore Romano newspaper saying that the existence of intelligent extraterrestrials posed no problems to Catholic theology. The conference itself was officially convened by the Vatican's Pontifical Academy of Sciences, chaired by its religious leader Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, and was held on private Vatican grounds from November 6-10. Together with Funes’ 2008 interview and subsequent public comments by him, the conference demonstrates a welcome openness by the Vatican on the possibility and implications of extraterrestrial life. The Vatican’s openness to discussion of extraterrestrial life is no accident. It is part of an openness policy secretly adopted by the United Nations in February 2008. In fact, the Vatican is playing a leading role in preparing the world for extraterrestrial disclosure.
For most observers, the conference was an innovative scientific gathering sanctioned by the Vatican's Pontifical Academy of Sciences to show the Holy See’s support for modern science in the detection of extraterrestrial life. The conference primarily focused on the detection of primitive extraterrestrial life forms, and featured presentations from nearly 30 international experts in astronomy, physics and biology. Marc Kaufman from the Washington Post reports:
Scientists (many of them nonbelievers) are offering presentations on subjects as varied as how life might have begun on Earth; what newly found "extremophile" microbes living in harsh places on our planet might tell us about possible life on others; and how life forms might be detected in our solar system, or how their bio-signatures might be found on and around the many distant exoplanets.
Discussion of the implications of intelligent extraterrestrial life, both scientific and theological, did not appear prominently in the conference agenda. One of the presenters, however, Prof Paul Davies commented on the religious implications of discovering intelligent extraterrestrial life: "If you look back at the history of Christian debate on this, it divides into two camps. There are those that believe that it is human destiny to bring salvation to the aliens, and those who believe in multiple incarnations," Davies pointed out that the multiple incarnations theory, the idea that multiple examples of Jesus Christ would be found in the universe “is a heresy in Catholicism."
The Vatican, through Funes, is supporting the idea that the incarnation of Christ is a unique event in Earth’s history tied in to humanity’s ‘fall’ and ‘original sin’. This idea was a major focus in Father Funes’ May 2008 interview which was titled "The extraterrestrial is my brother." Funes said that intelligent extraterrestrial life may not have experienced a ‘fall’, and may be “free from Original Sin … [remaining] in full friendship with their creator.” This makes it possible to regard them as ‘our brothers’ as Funes explained:
Just as there is a multiplicity of creatures on earth, there can be other beings, even intelligent, created by God. This is not in contrast with our faith because we can't put limits on God's creative freedom… "Why can't we speak of a 'brother extraterrestrial'? It would still be part of creation…
Most importantly, Funes’ statement makes possible the idea that Christianity can be exported to extraterrestrial worlds that have not experienced a ‘fall’ and are free from original sin.
The Vatican’s new openness on extraterrestrial life is consistent with reports of secret discussions held at the United Nations that began in February 2008. The Vatican’s permanent representative to the UN, Archbishop Celestino Migliore, was reported to have attended along with a number of other prominent government officials to discuss increased UFO sightings and the implications of extraterrestrial visitation. Significantly, Migliore's position requires that he maintains close relations with the Vatican's Pontifical Academy of Sciences. At the time of the secret UN discussions, Migliore made a presentation on moral issues associated with scientific problems such as climate change. Most importantly, the UN discussions reportedly led to a new policy of openness being adopted by approximately 30 nations that would begin in 2009.
Another noteworthy participant reported to have attended the 2008 UN discussions was Britain’s Permanent representative at the time, Sir John Sawers. Sawers was later appointed to head Britain’s prestigious foreign intelligence service MI6. The appointment of a diplomat to head an intelligence service was highly unusual. According to a BBC report: “giving the job to someone more recently associated with diplomatic service was regarded as a break from the tradition.” Seen in the context of the February UN meetings, perhaps MI6 was acknowledging the need for greater diplomacy in dealing with problems posed by a new openness policy on UFOs, and eventual disclosure of extraterrestrial life.
The Vatican sponsored astrobiology conference was a landmark event. It showed that the Vatican was willing to officially sanction public discussions on the existence of extraterrestrial life. More significantly, it showed that the Vatican was willing to initiate a comprehensive dialogue on the theological implications of the discovery of intelligent extraterrestrial life. The Vatican’s astrobiology conference is yet one more sign that major global institutions are preparing for some kind of formal disclosure concerning UFOs and/or extraterrestrial life. This is a direct outcome of a series of landmark meetings at the UN beginning in February 2008 that led to the adoption of a new openness policy.
After more than a year of openness, the Vatican is taking the openness policy to a new level, and preparing the public for some kind of formal extraterrestrial disclosure announcement. Numerous independent sources have predicted such disclosure is imminent, and that the Obama administration is expected to play a prominent role. The Vatican is also positioning itself to play a major role in such an announcement and in a post-disclosure world. Its emerging theological position that extraterrestrials “are our brothers” is a welcome departure from more hostile depictions of extraterrestrial life found in some religious denominations and in Hollywood movies. On the other hand, the idea that the Vatican could justify sending missionaries to convert extraterrestrials born without original sin, does raise major concerns. The Vatican, nevertheless, is currently playing a constructive role in preparing the public for the imminent disclosure of extraterrestrial life.
(VIDEO AT LINK)
[Event Notice: Dr Michael Salla will speak about the theological implications of extraterrestrial life at the upcoming Earth Transformation Conference on the Big Island of Hawaii (January 7-12, 2010).]
For the rabid clique, it may well be genetic.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh
Ladies and gentlemen, Boys and Girls, Dogs and Cats . . .
The Clueless Clique has quacked.
Walk on by . . . nothing here . . .
LOL. It’s so much fun when they keep digging.
[Maybe they are paid disinfo agents?]
Discussion of the implications of intelligent extraterrestrial life, both scientific and theological, did not appear prominently in the conference agenda. One of the presenters, however, Prof Paul Davies commented on the religious implications of discovering intelligent extraterrestrial life: “If you look back at the history of Christian debate on this, it divides into two camps. There are those that believe that it is human destiny to bring salvation to the aliens, and those who believe in multiple incarnations,” Davies pointed out that the multiple incarnations theory, the idea that multiple examples of Jesus Christ would be found in the universe “is a heresy in Catholicism.”
The Vatican, through Funes, is supporting the idea that the incarnation of Christ is a unique event in Earth’s history tied in to humanity’s ‘fall’ and ‘original sin’. This idea was a major focus in Father Funes’ May 2008 interview which was titled “The extraterrestrial is my brother.” Funes said that intelligent extraterrestrial life may not have experienced a ‘fall’, and may be “free from Original Sin … [remaining] in full friendship with their creator.” This makes it possible to regard them as ‘our brothers’ as Funes explained:
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THANKS.
This is a serious article about a very real serious Vatican event—showing another incremental advancement of the whole field toward disclosure.
It’s clear that naysayers who decry such articles as hoaxes by con folks are most likely
1. Lying disinfo agents or
2. So stubbornly, cluelessly, rigidly, stubbornly biased that reality itself has no chance to even leak in through the cracks . . . or
3. Are obnoxious mean-spirited trolls who just enjoy trashing threads of those who sift and sort complex data sets 1,000% better than they do . . . or
4. Are so insecure and threatened by the possibilities that they have to dream up all manner of brazen distortions of reality in order to be able to sleep at night.
UFO AND END TIMES PING LIST PINGS.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh
The rabid doomsday ufo cultists have quacked, they are so out of their minds that anyone who disagrees with them are quite possibly “disinfo agents” LOL.
It seems the rabid cliques of clueless idiots who believe that aliens and humans are working behind the scenes on nefarious plots to take over the world and slaughter a billion people are quite PARANOID. Perhaps some of the reality naysayers are actually paranoid schizophrenics?
These NUTS are in grave danger of what I like to call a TYPE II ERROR, quite unavoidable and most certainly will go hand in hand with a TYPE I ERROR, no avoiding it I guess. I wonder how they deal with actual relationships with people, do they have to find others who share their delusional UFO Doomsday Cult beliefs? There’s really no debating this as I’m quite the expert in psychology, I’m able to make more progress in 3 months than others can in 9-12 months. As a matter of fact a shocking number of my Asian students professed a greater love for me than their own parents.
Apparently paranoid schizophrenics living in their own fantasy world are able to provide a decent living for science fiction writers who claim their fantasies are facts. I guess you could call that a positive.
The problem is I know some of these famous writers and they laugh all the way to the bank, so it’s not really fair how they take advantage of their mentally challenged customers. If the rabid cultists only knew what their heroes actually thought of them.
Shame, that.
Perhaps a Jr High science class could help you wrap some synapses around the
concepts of a
TYPE I and a TYPE II ERROR.
While likely miraculous, it is conceivable that knowing something the realities of a TYPE I and a TYPE II error COULD POSSIBLY result in sounding less clueless when writing about them.
ping
BTW, another common misperception . . . correction . . .
historically, most UFO books don’t make much money if they make any profit at all.
Another naysayer fallacy bites the dust in the face of the raw truth.
Is it the case that
1. you are clueless about the rules of FR and particularly of the Religion Forum
or is it that
2. you just think that you personally don’t have to live by the rules hereon?
I don’t believe in “aliens”.
I think this may be the “strong lie” sent upon us so that “if possible, even the elect may be deceived”.
This whole “disclosure” pile of crap is just another misdirection.
I live by my own rules...at least until 0 outlaws that, too.
If you don’t like it, snitch on me to the mods.
Whitley Strieber and Eric Von Daniken got filthy rich.
It’s not my habit to run to the mods.
Besides, the RM monitors the Religion Forum quite well enough on his own.
I just find the arrogance fascinating.
Of course the UFO stuff is part of the Biblical END TIMES GREAT DECEPTION.
However, the fallen angel UFO drivers and their craft really do exist. And they really are in cahoots with the globalists toward setting up the END TIMES tyrannical global government of the Anti-Christ.
Denying reality is not usually a good survival strategy.
It may have been even after the movie COMMUNION or just before . . . I forget. Whitley almost had to file for bankruptcy.
Sure, there are stars who make plenty on their popular books. Most such authors do not.
Hey, Dear Sister, how about putting on your Jr Shrink hat for a bit . . .
Why do you think some of the rabid naysaying clique are
soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
OUTRAGEOUSLY agitated, insecure, rabid, hostile, wailing and whining, ranting . . . shrill . . . mean-spirited . . . recently.
Do even they . . . perhaps subconsciously . . . realize that things are ramping up more and more?
Or is it something in the air? Is weather triggering it? What’s going on? Why are they so excessively OFF THE WALL WELL BEYOND even their usual off the wall states???
My God you have a short memory.
How MANY times have I backed you up on that exact same scenario??
How many times have you THANKED me for doing so?
There are no “aliens”.
There ~are~ evil, supernatural entities PRETENDING to be “aliens” and we’ve been endlessly indoctrinated to “accept” them as “benevolent, wise beings”, to whit, “Communion”.
Interesting title for that book, isn’t it?
If a freaking “craft” landed in my yard right now and “aliens” actually abducted me, I STILL wouldn’t believe in “little green men”.
I’d figure the devil’s minions had gotten hold of my arse.
Period.
Yeah. I don’t keep good track of my correspondents hereon unless there’s a ton of frequent interactions of a very memorable sort.
Sorry. Just not the kind of thing I’m good at remembering.
I’m much better at remembering counseling narratives about who did what to whom and why.
I’m glad you have some awareness of the realities. It still sounds a bit like you might do well to insure that your connection with God is as intimate as possible.
Some realities may not precisely fit our preconceived notions. God may have to adjust our understandings on the fly.
I don’t think our “reality” is even real, technically.
We’re players on a stage and the finale is a forgone conclusion.
People gripe because this or that “isn’t mentioned in the Bible”.
Maybe God thought *whatever* was none of our freaking business and kept it to Himself.
God is.
I believe.
I can NOT be swayed from that simple faith.
I have no idea how to make my connection to God “more intimate” than plain old fierce, frequently bellicose devotion.
He said it.
I believe it.
That’s the end to it.
So Quixy,
Seems like the Romanists owe you an apology!
I bow to the master sensei...
You have it nailed!
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