Mary: Holy Mother

Catholic Pages ^ | 6/18/09 | Scott Hahn

[bdeaner]

Note: Sorry about the typos in my above post. It got posted accidently before I had a chance to proof it.

[bdeaner]

I would like to make clear for those who do not know better, that the Catholic Church does not claim Mary to be the way to salvation. Only Christ can serve that role and function. See my earlier post clarifying the matter that the Lord, and not Mary is to be worshipped. But we honor Mary.

But there is one additional point I wish to make. Given the above, it is absolutely Biblical to ask for prayers and intercessions. Protestants on the subject of Mary, like to quote 1 Tim. 5, but read it in context.

"I urge then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone - for kings, for all those in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceful life in all godliness and holiness. This is good and pleases God our Saviour, who wants all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man, Christ Jesus."
1Timothy 2:1-5

The Scriptures encourage requests, prayers, intercessions and thanksgiving. We pray for one another, as one Body in Christ, and Mary, just like anyone else, can pray and intercede for us.

[metmom]

For someone who’s nominally been here since 1998, you’d think that she(?) would know that already.

Interesting posting history......

[chesley]

Well, that was interesting. Unconvincing, but interesting. I prefer the plain words of Scripture to complex interpretations, any day.

Feel the same way about the Constitution

[WKB]

Well all that sounds well and good but I will just keep
being a Baptist and Worship Jesus and let Him alone be my
Mediator.
After all he is THE ONE and no one else who died for me. I’ll let Mary be Mary the earthly mother
of Jesus and nothing more.
God Bless You

[wmfights]

If Mary is so important why is she not mentioned in Scripture after Acts Chapter 1.14 ?. Except for one time in Romans which may or may not be the mother of Jesus, the name Mary is not even found in the NT after Acts.

Wonderful point.

If I might add, why didn't our Lord and Saviour refer to her as mother. Also, she was clearly not given any special status as shown in Luke 11:27-28.

The special status and authority that the RCC and EO attribute to Mary only illustrates how easily heresy can become doctrine in a centralized hierarchy. It's not to say that heresy can't infect a congregational decentralized church, but it's harder for it to thrive and become doctrine.

[Petronski]

I am not interested in what the writings and traditions of men have to say on this subject only what The Bible has to say.

Ironic, since sola Scriptura is a false tradition of men.

[Petronski]

...why didn't our Lord and Saviour refer to her as mother...

That is a mighty big presumption.

[WKB]

John 2 1 On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus’ mother was there, 2 and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding. 3 When the wine was gone, Jesus’ mother said to him, “They have no more wine.” 4 “Dear woman, why do you involve me?”

[Pyro7480]

Are you saying that Our Lord, who observed every commandment perfectly, dishonored His Mother?

[rom]

Revelation 12:1-5, 17 refers to the Nation of Israel — which is made especially clear in 12:17.

And I think your leap of logic is a little faulty. If Jesus tells us to forgive our enemies, then you would naturally conclude that we are to forgive HIS enemies and not OUR enemies. Just as you conclude that we are to honor HIS parents and not OUR own.

Now, maybe you can make the point a little better — maybe. But the premises you laid out are a little faulty.

Now, I hold Mary with great respect. And once I fall on the ground and worship the Father and Son, I cannot wait to meet her and Joseph in heaven! And then I would love to spend a lot of time with the Apostle Paul.

But, if you are going to argue that she should be prayed to (or through) — then I find precious little in scripture that would account for that.

However, I am not Catholic — and personally, even if you could pray to Mary — I wouldn’t as the Father and Jesus are so much greater than Mary, that it wouldn’t even enter my mind to pray to her.

[wmfights]

Are you saying that Our Lord, who observed every commandment perfectly, dishonored His Mother?

No.

I think what I wrote was clear.

[bdeaner]

I prefer the plain words of Scripture to complex interpretations, any day.

I presume, then, you don't believe in the Trinity. The doctrine of the Trinity--which is never explicitly mentioned in Scripture--requires a much more complex exposition than the one I developed for honoring Mary.

[WKB]

” Except for one time in Romans which may or may not be the mother of Jesus, “the name Mary” is not even found in the NT after Acts”

Rev 12
1 A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads. 4His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born. 5She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.

Still don’t see the name Mary.

[bdeaner]

Scary smart, indeed!

[Petronski]

That is ONE occasion when He referred to her.

But to say He "didn't refer to her as mother" is to say He never did, is it not?

[Petronski]

...the Father and Jesus are so much greater than Mary, that it wouldn’t even enter my mind to pray to her.

So you never ask anyone to pray for you?

Remember, "pray" means "ask."

[Alamo-Girl]

Short of using the word "Trinity" - these two Scriptures speak the doctrine most certainly to me:

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. - Romans 8:9

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. – Isaiah 9:6

To God be the glory!

[WKB]

Where is it that He does refer to her as Mother?
I would say you are being more presumptuous
than WM. He has Scripture for backup and you don’t.

[Artemis Webb]

This should have been a Catholic Caucus thread. Now it's threatening to turn into a Merry-Go-Round of “my doctrine is better than your doctrine” arguments.