Posted on 06/18/2009 4:26:48 PM PDT by bdeaner
I think Hebrew's has a whole chapter that shows how the Ark of the Covenant represented Mary. Don't get me wrong, I like Mary because God choose her, but to go to that extent is reaching.
Funny how he says 3 Magi then get on to people who say they are wise men not mention in Bible, I don't think the Bile states 3 Magi, people just assume because of the 3 gifts.
Very little of what Christ did in day to day life is recorded in Scripture. By your logic, He thus never did them.
Sola Scriptura is a false tradition of men.
Well what IS written down about Jesus IN THE BIBLE is enough for me.
Enough to know He died for my sins and was resurrected
for my eternal Salvation. What Mary did or did not do
has no effect on that.
Paul said this is the most important thing.
First Cor 15
2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. 3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
Have A Blessed Day
To say He never referred to her as mother is a ridiculous claim. What out to be claimed is that Scripture doesn't record it.
Of course, what Scripture records is not the end all and be all. Sola Scriptura is itself not Scriptural, so those who want to confine themselves to Scripture are in a bit of a pickle.
Those who want to add to Scripture are in a worse pickle.
Martin Luther did that, ironically trying to add the word "alone" to Romans 3:28.
Other than that, I don't know of anyone adding to Scripture.
“so those who want to confine themselves to Scripture are in a bit of a pickle. “
“Martin Luther did that, ironically trying to add the word “alone” to Romans 3:28.”
Explain to me how you can confine yourself to Scripture
and be in a pickle and add to Scripture at the same
time and still be in a pickle.
So she is being confronted and brutally intimidated by a dragon who is intent upon producing disobedience, come hell or high water. So in the cross-examination, in the interrogation that goes back and forth, Satan uses the truth in a clever, deceptive, but intimidating way to kind of force this woman to see, in effect, that if she doesn't eat that fruit, she will die, at least in the biological, physical sense because Satan will see to it.
The question, then, as you read through this narrative is not based upon anything that is explicitly stated, but rather that which is so conspicuously unstated, and that is, where the heck is Adam in all this? By the end of the narrative you discover that he's right by the woman because she just turns and gives him the fruit to eat; but the question is, where was he all along? This loving covenant head, this loving covenant partner who is to show the great love that he's willing to lay down his life for his beloved? Well, he was probably rationalizing his silence by saying, “Well, if I oppose such a serpentile monster as this, I stand no chance.” “
The author uses an example of a prophet's envisioned allegory, to show how one could change the meaning of what a direct relation of Eve's action. This point can be allowed because one hopes it matters that one accept his alteration. In fact the only thing alteration allows is for further alteration of additional verses.
As for brutal intimidation, nothing is implied. Unless one read, "You will not surely die," as to mean, "If you eat it, I won't kill you."
But, the fact is, until sin affected the bodies of Adam and Eve, they did not know corruption, nor did they know death. They were in effect, immortal and would not die, nor suffer injury. These only entered after sin and the cursing of creation for that sin. A threat of death would mean nothing, and besides, Adam had dominion over all the animals.
Further, it is not apparent that Adam was immediately beside Eve when she was decieved.By the immediacy of the wording, it appears to be implied. However, reading that into the story is similar to people reading the narrative of the Book of Acts and believing it happened in a matter of weeks rather than years.
Adam's choice was not because he feared the serpent, but because he saw a seperation between God and Eve. He chose fellowship of Eve over God. This is a common decision, wrongly made by nearly the entire human population since that moment.
Because of the extent of misapplication, anything said either pro or against my current understanding, I deemed not worth my pursuit. If it agreed with my understanding, it is still a weak argument given the weak initial basis. If it disagreed with my theology, it still does not matter due to the same weak ness.
Luther's problem is that he actually added to Scripture...something expressly condemned by Scripture.
So if you write down something that is not in accordance
with what God says you are OK as long as you
write it outside the Bible.
I understand now.
I am tired of rearranging the chairs on the titanic.
Have a Blessed day.
Oh I would — I guess the question in my mind is — can Mary hear me? Is she capable of hearing prayers of all of us down here? If she can, can I pray to others who are in Heaven (let’s say I had a grand-father who had died)?
I’m not clear they can. But I know that the Father and Son can. And I know that those who are alive around me can pray for me as well. That’s all :)
Good thing the Catholic Church doesn't do that.
I am tired of rearranging the chairs on the titanic.
Is that what you call logic?
Fair enough.
As a Catholic, I believe they can and do hear us.
Be well.
What a wonderful way to end a religious discussion :)
May you have a blessed day Brother!
And you too!
It's just a name, like Mary is just a woman. A virtuous woman who followed God righteously, but just a woman in the end. Not divine.
thank you
Hahn is very clear that his interpretation of the serpent in Genesis is idiosyncratic, and states very clearly that it is not necessary to agree with this interpretation in order to consent to the rest of his exegesis of the Scriptures on Mary.
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