Posted on 03/06/2009 5:22:10 PM PST by delacoert
In a letter dated September 29, 2008, Chad Hardy, producer of the infamous Men on a Mission Calendars and website, received a letter from Brigham Young University informing him that his name had been removed from the August 15, 2008 graduation roll. The letter stated that he would not be awarded his BA degree in Communication Studies because he had been excommunicated from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints on July 13, 2008, a month before graduation.
All of his required coursework had already been completed prior to the church discipline. He was not required to abide by the schools strict Honor Code because he finished his coursework online from his home in Las Vegas, NM. The only recourse given to him to get his diploma was to come back to full fellowship with the LDS Church.
Brigham Young University failed to follow their own policies and procedures in disciplining Hardy and revoking his degree. Two weeks later, Hardy was denied and exception from BYU policy and will not be awarded his degree.
This series of videos is the actual recording from the official University Review with BYU Dean of Students, Vernon Heperi.
What does elsie have to do with the lack of sources in your post? It should be a simple matter to provide back-up on your claims. And, please, independent sources, not FAIR or FARMS related.
And ONCE AGAIN the 'TRUTH' as defined by MORMONism is NOT shown; but merely alluded to.
Just like what RULE what BROKEN by Chad.
(Please remember, it is only your standard that proves Paul to be a false apostle)
You are SO wrong!!
Where is the PROOF?
Where is the EVIDENCE?
WHERE's the Beef, Clara??
You have NOT!!
Now HERE is YOUR chance to PROVE to the JURY that I am a LIAR!!!
Post the LINKS to your 'explanations'.
Why would demons go to all the trouble of founding a church full of conservative people who try to keep the commandments?
If you want demonic, look at the protestant churches, including the Presbyterian church, IIRC, who are embracing homosexual preachers and other perversions.
As far as the other, why do you think their are issues in those denomination, however those are very public. I deal with it as Methodist. We don't hide or problems any more than we claim perfection.
So, you believe the “demon” theory, too? Really. Aren’t you even a little embarrassed by it?
I know not exactly what guided Joseph Smiths hand, it may have been the Devil himself or could be as simple as that which drove PT Barnum to pursue his circus, a sucker is born every minute.
What I do know is what ever guided him did not come from above. God doesn't talk in circles, make hard right and left turns in his actions, ask us to lie, intentionally complicate salvation or waste his efforts on our behalf. Most of all he does not hide from his people only to randomly reappear in New York forest.
So if it is not from bellow or from the mind of man, there are precious few choices left...
Why not? Why is the New York forest any less likely a place that the Middle Eastern desert?
Why would God speak through prophets only in times past? If He did indeed speak through prophets in biblical times — and I believe He did — why would he stop forever?
These are rhetorical questions. I ask them only to point out that there is nothing any more or less rational about our religion than any other religion.
Does that do way with the need for Prophets, perhaps not, and when something big is “in the works” he may well send one, but they will come and share a message that follows the same linear series of actions God has been making for all time, not some right hand turn off the path.
God also never has and never will sprinkle “prophets” around like candy at Christmas like the LDS does. Win an election to high church office and “poof” you are a “prophet”. Be wrong on dozens of prophecies and yet still be the oracle to God himself?
No I don't think so...
If that very statement doesn't sum up the lds view of Christians I don't know what does.
The Book of Mormon is a fraud because everybody knows the Jews didn’t build temples anywhere but Jerusalem.
But, guess what, scholars now know that observant Jews did build temples in other places.
I and some Archaeologist friends of mine I contacted are unfamiliar with this. I tried to Google it, but was unable to find any reference to it. Could you please provide a link or source?
The whole point of Christ’s life and death was to change the very nature of God’s relationship with his children. He talks to us directly now. The life, death and Resurrection were ‘watershed” events for the lack of a better term, and things changed that night on the hill 2000 years ago. As Christ said “it is finished”, his work was done until his return one day, and it is left up to use to spread that news. Everything, almost every prophecy of old lead up to that event.
Worth repeating.
Almost everything you have just said is your (or somebody’s) interpretation of the Bible. The Bible does not say it directly. I like my interpretation, you like yours.
I believe that Christ’s atonement is central to our salvation, and that it is a turning point in history. Without it, we could not return to God’s presence. I believe that He can talk to us directly, and does. But I also believe that He has restored the church He organized while He was on the earth, along with the priesthood power which He held and which he bestowed on His apostles.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say that He would do away with prophets, your interpretation of the words, “It is finished,” notwithstanding.
What God said to Joseph Smith about sectarian Christianity was that they “hav[e] a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
Sometimes, I think that we Mormons are the only ones who really do believe in the Bible. Why do I say that? Because it is much easier to profess belief in prophets who are safely removed from the present day by thousands of years, but much harder to say, “I believe that the same divine communication and relationship with man described in the Bible exists today.”
It is the same human tendency that is described in the New Testament, when Christ was rejected by those whom He grew up with and who were very familiar with Him, and he said, “A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.”
We don’t think all Christians are demonic. Not at all. But I think that embracing homosexual behavior is demonic, and some Christian churches have done that.
You know what's even funnier?
Your LDS brethren were the first to bring up the demon scatology in this thread.
See Resty's post in #146.
That’s because Elsie has been fobbing off the demon theory for quite some time now. I just find it amusing.
“What? Joseph Smith was right about historical and geographical facts that no one knew about in 1830? It’s becoming harder and harder to just say he made it up, and natural explanations for the alleged ‘fraud’ are being knocked down? Well, maybe it was supernatural, then. But it had to have been demons. Yeah, that’s the ticket, demons.”
lady lawyer was the first to accuse someone of being demon possessed.
ROTFLOL
A little extension off you own logic.
Does it makes sense that, after all the effort that God put in in coming to dwell among us, to fulfill the promise of the true prophets like John the Baptist, that he would then in turn allow his Church to languish for 1800 or so years? Does it makes sense that the record has totally abolished all this new information that Smith has injected? Does it makes sense that all these new concepts were only known to him after 1800 years?
I spent several years in the Orthodox church, a group for whom not only doctrine but history shows a linage back to Paul himself, a time well before Nicea and there is no record of the thing of which Smith spoke of.
Where are the prophets of the past 200 years, the past 500, the past 1000?
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