Posted on 01/18/2009 6:08:09 AM PST by greyfoxx39
In Search of Book of Mormon Geography | |
The Book of Mormon is supposed to be a history of real people living in a real place. For the first 150 years of Mormonism's existence, everyone thought it was a story about a people who left the Middle East and came to South or Central America, and who fought wars clear up into New York state where their history was hidden in a hillside, inscribed on gold plates. Joseph Smith, in 1830, translated those plates, he said, by "the gift and power of God," into 1611 English from "Reformed Egyptian Hieroglyphics." Or so the story goes. However, one needs to look no further than New York, Pennsylvania, and Ohio to find the setting of the Book of Mormon. Whoever pieced the Book of Mormon together had a land in mind which was very similar to the Northeast United States and Southeast Canada. My friend, the late Vernal Holley, originally published these maps in his book Book of Mormon Authorship: A Closer Look in the early 1980s. I was fascinated with them then and remain so today. Basically, the two maps compare a "proposed map" constructed by Vernal from the internal descriptions of the Book of Mormon and comments, over the years by Latter-day Saint scholars, with a map showing actual place names on maps of the area around Palmyra, New York, where to the Book of Mormon originally was published. Vernal gave me permission to put the whole book on line. I just need the time to do that. In the meantime I hope you enjoy this. |
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The first map is the "proposed map," constructed from internal comparisons in the Book of Mormon. Throughout the Book of Mormon we read of such features as "The Narrow Neck of Land" which was a days and a half's journey (roughly 30 miles) separating two great seas. We read much of the Hill Onidah, the Hill Ramah, and the city of the City of Angolaall place names in the land of Joseph Smith's youth. We read, in the Book of Mormon of the Land of Desolation named for a warrior named Teancum who helped General Moroni fight in the Land of Desolation. In Smith's era, an Indian Chief named Tecumseh fought and died near the narrow neck of land helping the British in the War of 1812. Today the Canadian city Techumseh (near the narrow neck of land) is named after him. We see the Book of Mormon city Kishkumen located near an area named, on modern maps, as Kiskiminetas. There are more than two dozen Book of Mormon names that are the same as or nearly the same as modern geographical locations. See below |
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Below is the modern Map of the area of Smith's Youth | |
Book of Mormon place names compared to actual Northeast US/Southeast Canada place names Canadian locations are marked with an asterisk and appear in the Book of Mormon as lying in "The Land Northward" |
ACTUAL PLACE NAMES *Agathe, Saint Alma Angola Antrim Antioch Boaz Jerusalem Monroe Noah Lakes |
BOOK OF MORMON PLACE NAMES Ogath Alma, Avlley of Angola Antum Anti-Anti Boaz Jerusalem Moroni Noah, Land of |
Copyright 1989, 1992 by Vernal Holley Used by permission. |
http://www.uwec.edu/geOGrApHY/Ivogeler/w188/utopian/mormon-place-names.htm
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Gentile, Didnt you know that King James English comes from “reformed Egyptian” ????
Did you really buy that Gentile story about the Angles, the Saxons and the Jutes ????
:)
You sure there aren't some genes working there?
It wasn't coffee, tea, alcohol and I quit the tobacco over thirty years ago...
My genes are Levi Strauss.
Just kidding...Every one of my mothers uncles and her father were gone from this planet before age 50. The University of Utah has been tracking our family for about forty years as a study and also a preventive measure. My annual physical last spring had some serious Calcium issues that needed to be resolved. Naturally I put it off. Last Friday they did an angiogram and the results indicated it was time to take care of this old diabetic’s heart. That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
I appreciate your good thoughts.
Be healed UB, in the lovely Name of Jesus...
He sent His Word, and healed Utah Binger..Psalm 107:20
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth. 3 John 1:2
Addition to Scripture is addition to Christ. St. Elsie
Doubt about Scripture is doubt about Christ. St. Elsie
Ignoring Scripture is ignoring Christ. St. Elsie
Re-'translating' Scripture is re-defining Christ. St. Elsie
The one where they all walked into a bar??
But if not...
You'll be headed to the right place with Jesus.
(Uh... HE is your Savior; right? ;^)
KJV Daniel 3:13-18
13. Then Nebuchadnezzar in his rage and fury commanded to bring Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. Then they brought these men before the king.
14. Nebuchadrezzar spake and said unto them, Is it true, O Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, do not ye serve my gods, nor worship the golden image which I have set up?
15. Now if ye be ready that at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the image which I have made; well: but if ye worship not, ye shall be cast the same hour into the midst of a burning fiery furnace; and who is that God that shall deliver you out of my hands?
16. Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, answered and said to the king, O Nebuchadnezzar, we are not careful to answer thee in this matter.
17. If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king.
18. But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.
I hope youre having a better day today, but if not, a favourite quote from Winston Churchill seems apropos: If youre going through hell, keep going.
Mormon tourists travel to key sites of their faithMexico, Central AmericaChris Hawley TEOTIHUACÁN, Mexico - In a corner of these ancient ruins, not far from the towering Pyramid of the Sun, a small group of Mormons sat among the milling tourists and gazed across what they believe to be their holy land.
"This is just what it says in the Book of Mormon about the Jaredites," Bill Welsh of Provo, Utah, said excitedly as an archaeologist described how internal strife sped the downfall of Teotihuacán. For the world's 13 million Mormons, the ruins of Mexico and Central America are hallowed ground, a place where Old Testament tribes settled after traveling across the ocean and where Jesus came to preach after his Resurrection. Although archaeologists say there is scant evidence to back up such beliefs, a growing number of travelers are paying thousands of dollars to search for connections on Mormon-themed tours and cruises. "It solidifies the things you read about in the Book of Mormon," Randy Andrus of Gilbert said as he walked through a section of Teotihuacán known as the Citadel. "I'm feeling some good things here." Mormons believe that three groups of people - the Jaredites, the Mulekites and the family of a Hebrew merchant named Lehi - sailed from the Middle East and settled in the Americas hundreds of years before the birth of Jesus. The descendants of Lehi split into two camps, the Nephites and the Lamanites, and were visited by Jesus after his Resurrection around A.D. 34, Mormons believe. The Nephites kept records of their history on gold plates. The Nephites were destroyed by rival tribes around A.D. 385, the church says. One of the last surviving Nephites wandered through the Americas and eventually buried the plates in New York. The plates were found and translated in the 1800s by the Mormon prophet Joseph Smith, the church says. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, as the Mormon church is known, does not have an official position on where the ancient tribes lived. Even Mormon archaeologists say more research is needed to pinpoint their cities. But that hasn't stopped tour companies from offering Book of Mormon trips to Guatemala, Honduras and southern Mexico, places rich in pre-Hispanic ruins. "No one is exactly sure where these things happened, but we think we have some good candidates," said Blake Allen, president of Book of Mormon Tours. Book of Mormon Tours, which started in the 1970s, claims to be the first such company, but at least 10 others now offer tours and cruises. One of the biggest tour operators, Liahona Tours, started in 2001 and has seen its business double every year, President Shelby Saberon said. This year, it will conduct 16 tours. The trips have become more popular as roads and air links improve, making once-remote ruins easier to get to, organizers say. But they are pricey, with some trips stretching for 21 days and costing more than $4,200, not including airfare. Central America and southern Mexico are the most important destinations for such tours because of the advanced cities and writing systems that existed there from 600 B.C. to A.D. 400, the main period covered by the Book of Mormon, Allen said. But the tour groups differ over the exact sites. L.D.S. Guided Tours says the ancient city of Bountiful, where Jesus appeared to the Nephites, may be the Mayan city of Dzibanché in southern Mexico. Liahona Tours says it could be El Mirador, 90 miles away in Guatemala. Other companies focus on Tikal, 40 miles to the southeast of El Mirador, or on another site 200 miles west in Mexico's Tabasco state Most Latin American archaeologists say there are no connections between the Mayas, who lived in that area, and the Hebrew tribes of the Middle East. "These are completely different cultures, and they developed in a different space and time," said José Huchim, an archaeologist and Mayan expert with Mexico's National Institute of Anthropology and History. Even Mormon archaeologists say it will take decades of digging for artifacts before the Book of Mormon can be proved or disproved. "I just see the tours as entertaining, and I try not to get upset that people are wasting their money doing foolish things," said John Clark, director of the New World Archaeological Foundation at Brigham Young University, which is owned by the church. But the uncertainty didn't damper the spirits of the 18 travelers at Teotihuacán, the first stop on an 11-day Liahona Tours trip. They nodded knowingly and chimed in with scripture references as archaeologist Kim Goldsmith, also a Mormon, described the use of cement and the way Teotihuacán's builders cleared the forest to make way for the city. Archaeologists know little about the people who built Teotihuacán, not even the city's original name or what language was spoken there. The city reached its zenith between A.D. 250 and 600. The city's builders may have been related to the Jaredites, whom Mormons believe came to the New World at the time of the biblical Tower of Babel, said Mont Woolley, the tour director. But whether the archaeological evidence backs up the Book of Mormon is irrelevant, said tour participant Dawn Frenetti, 28, of Milpitas, Calif. Just seeing such sites is inspiring, she said. "It definitely helps me stay interested in learning more about the Book of Mormon," she said. "But, as far as confirming my faith, my faith has always been there." |
Smithsonian has said there is no archaeological evidence to support the Book of Mormon.
I’ll come visit. My thoughts are with you, big guy!
How did your show go?
Had a very good turn out. A few sales and lots of good red wine. Isn’t that good for the heart?
I know, you really make my heart beat strongly!
Thanks, TN.
Yes, I want to go there too, I hear they are unreal.
More prayer coverage for ya.
Thanks!
And I blame ice cream too, whenever it finally catches up with me, which it will..
He doesn’t?
And all this time I thought the whole George Burns voice was a put on...
I guess next you’ll tell me God doesn’t look like Morgan Freeman...
Hey!
That’s my line;-)
Thanks
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