The Blessed Virgin in the History of Christianity [Ecumenical]

Insight Scoop ^ | January 1, 2009 | John A. Hardon, S.J.

[Salvation]

Very well put. BTTT!

[Always Right]

Well, there is the crux of the problem with "reformed" thinkers.

Well God told us to seek Him, not blindly follow some church.

[Salvation]

**1+1=3 is as logical as Mary being the Mother of God.**

Are you saying that Jesus Christ, second person of the Trinity is NOT God?

Mary was His Mother, hence she was also Mother of Christ, second person of the Trinity, truly God, and Mother of Christ, truly man.

If you do not believe that Jesus Christ was true God and true man, you are furthering the Nestorian heresy.

[the invisib1e hand]

But we can agree that Jesus is our Savior, which is the most important belief of all.

On that and many other things, FRiend (though not much in this post), we agree.

[big'ol_freeper]

Look at #43 and then #46. The poster in #46 states that what the poster in #43 posted was as logical as 1+1=3. I was just saying that a lover of Truth (like the poster of #43) would never find 1+1=3 logical, whereas the poster of #46 does. LOL...got it?

[big'ol_freeper]

Not according the Holy Scripture where we are told to bring our disputes to the Church if they can’t be resolved between us.

[the invisib1e hand]

got it?

Uhh, I'll just take your word for it...

[big'ol_freeper]

Matthew 18:15-18:

15"(A)If your brother sins[a], go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.

16"But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that (B)BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED.

17"If he refuses to listen to them, (C)tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, (D)let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

18"Truly I say to you, (E)whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.

Seems to me that not listening to the Church is a problem in someone's mind....

[Always Right]

Not according the Holy Scripture where we are told to bring our disputes to the Church if they can’t be resolved between us.

Completely out of context. It was referring to legal disputes.

[big'ol_freeper]

Completely out of context. It was referring to legal disputes.

Nice try. Wrong.

My dispute with my neighbor about the boundary lines to my property and his is a legal dispute, and is not the purview of the Church. Holy Scripture here is discussing a brother who has sinned...read that faith and morals...and we are directed to bring it to the Church if the brother does not listen.

[Always Right]

Seems to me that not listening to the Church is a problem in someone's mind....

That was directed toward Jews, not Gentiles.

[Always Right]

Nice try. Wrong. My dispute with my neighbor about the boundary lines to my property and his is a legal dispute, and is not the purview of the Church. Holy Scripture here is discussing a brother who has sinned...read that faith and morals...and we are directed to bring it to the Church if the brother does not listen.

Your first statement was concerning bring disputes to the church is from 1 Cor 6, which is absolutely about legal disputes.

[big'ol_freeper]

Wrong. Nice try. Jews did not have “the Church” in their religious construct. It is directed toward those (the Apostles) who He is giving the authority to “loose and bind”...ergo the newly founded Church.

[big'ol_freeper]

While you are correct about Corinthians, these verses are specifically about sin and the Church’s authority to “loose and bind”.

[Always Right]

17"If he refuses to listen to them, (C)tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, (D)let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

Seems directed towards Jews to me. Definitely not the Catholic Church because of the reference of 'let him be to you as a Gentile' would make no sense.

[big'ol_freeper]

Your answer makes no sense. The Church is just being formed. Jesus has not even been crucified yet. He is instructing Peter and the Apostles on the Church He has just stated is to be built upon Peter, the Rock. His statement, treat the sinner, who has rejected the Church, like a Gentile is a reference to Jewish practice towards Gentiles at the time, which is to say that one who rejects the Church is to be treated as unclean, an unrepentant sinner. It is not a directive on how to treat Gentiles. It is a directive on how to treat those who reject the authority of the Church.

Makes you wonder why anyone would want to reject His Church and remain outside of it.

[TASMANIANRED]

Mary was prophesied in Genesis.

[TASMANIANRED]

It is lovely.

[big'ol_freeper]

By the way, looking at your profile I notice the quote:

Three people responsible for the freedom of hundreds of millions of people............Nobel Peace Prizes, ZERO."

I see you have a photo showing Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan. I'd be interested in who the third of the three was, and even more interested why his photo is missing from your homage.

[Always Right]

I see you have a photo showing Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan. I'd be interested in who the third of the three was, and even more interested why his photo is missing from your homage.

It was a picture of Reagan and JPII. And it is missing because whoever had it posted is no longer hosting the image. Thanks for pointing it out.