The Blessed Virgin in the History of Christianity [Ecumenical]

So now people have to do a work? Isn’t calling upon the Lord a work? And what about Matthew 7:21? “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.”

Well, there's one of the seven scripture verses you guys are taught...And what's funny is that you guys never seem to know what the 'will of the Father' is but yet you keep repeating the verse like you think it applies to everyone but you..

You tell me.

I did tell you...And you, as a Catholic can't rebut anything because you don't have a clue...

So now people have to do a work? Isn’t calling upon the Lord a work?

Of course it is NOT...Calling on God and asking Him to save you and doing good things to win favor with God are not at all the same thing...If you equate faith with works, you'll end up at the White Throne Judgement...And you'll be judged by your works...

Apparently not everyone calling upon the Lord will be saved - at least if you believe Jesus. So which is it?

You are seriously misguided...You call Jesus Lord as do many 'christians'...Did you ever ask Jesus to save you??? Lots of folks who call Jesus Lord never turned to Jesus for Salvation...Some turn to baptism...Some turn to the Eucharist...

You wrote:

“Well, there’s one of the seven scripture verses you guys are taught...And what’s funny is that you guys never seem to know what the ‘will of the Father’ is but yet you keep repeating the verse like you think it applies to everyone but you..”

At least we don’t just let many questions go unanswered as Protestants so often have and as you’ve done - again.

“I did tell you...And you, as a Catholic can’t rebut anything because you don’t have a clue...”

Really? So, being a Catholic in itself means someone is able to rebut something you say? If that were the case, then why have you been avoiding dozens of my questions and points there Iscool?

“Of course it is NOT...Calling on God and asking Him to save you and doing good things to win favor with God are not at all the same thing...”

Wait. Now, please make a REAL choice and for once be consistent. How is cooperating with God, according to you, a work for salvation (and therefore of no value), but calling on God is not a work for salvation (and therefore of apparent value)?

In essence, NEITHER is a work for salvation, but both are necessary for salvation. Without either, a man will be lost, but neither actually makes the salvation happen.

“If you equate faith with works, you’ll end up at the White Throne Judgement...And you’ll be judged by your works...”

But how is cooperation with God a work, but calling on God is not a work. I reconciled the two. Can you? Try. Let’s see if you fail.

“You are seriously misguided...You call Jesus Lord as do many ‘christians’...”

Was Thomas a Christian? He said in John 20:28 “My Lord and My God” to Jesus. Was he mistaken?

How about Elizabeth? She said “the mother of my Lord” in(Luke 1 :43).

Was she wrong, Iscool?

Your posts seem to be getting more and more bizarre. Are you now denying Christ’s divinity?

“Did you ever ask Jesus to save you???”

Yep. Every day. Especially in the Mass.

“Lots of folks who call Jesus Lord never turned to Jesus for Salvation...Some turn to baptism...Some turn to the Eucharist...”

No well catechized Catholic does. No one turns to baptism over the God who gave it to us.

And you’re still avoiding the following:

Nope. Here again is all that you have refused to respond to for at least the second or third time:

My question still stands: “I never once mentioned salvation in regard to Matthew 3:7-9. Yet you claim I did. Why misconstrue what I so clearly wrote? I wrote: “...about repentence: In Matthew 3:7–9, John says to the Pharisees...” and again “It is a call to turn away from sin. Sincere repentance requires turning away from sin.”
Where in that paragraph do you see me mention either the word or concept of salvation? Where? I hope you have the courage to answer that question. I really, really do.”

Since I said repentance and nothing about salvation there, why did you misconstrue what I said? Was it purposeful?

Here’s what else you have refused to respond to:

That’s called charity. What does James say about faith and charity in James 2?

And you have avoided really dealing with this:

That’s a common and completely ineffectual response from many OSAS believers. The simple reality is that there are people - intelligent, educated, once God-fearing people - who, for whatever reason, lose their faith, and even renounce Jesus. It’s happened. There are Christians - including Protestants ministers - who have become Muslims. Is that not a denial of Christ? Are you really going to claim these people were never Christians? Sorry, but they - and everyone who knows them - would insist otherwise.

Dismissing it as an impossibility when it is known to happen is not dealing with it.

And not surprisingly, you refused to deal with this:

You don’t believe? Reality has little to do with what you believe then. Men defy God. They reject God. And sadly, they can worship false gods. By the way, do you believe Catholics are Christians then who DO NOT worship false gods? If you believe we are Christians, and you don’t believe those who have been filled with the Holy Spirit can turn to “another” god, then you don’t believe it is possible for Catholics to be idolators. So, even if we pray to Mary - according to your logic (IF you believe we are Christians) - we are not doing anything wrong, right?

So, what will it be? Will you now say that Catholics were never Christians to begin with?

That would be amusing for you to say at this point. Do you know why?

Think about those Protestants who become Catholics. I guess you’ll have to either say that (if Catholics are not Christians) then those Protestant converts have turned “to ‘another’ God after being filled with the Holy Spirit...”

If you’re going to say that Catholics are Christians, then praying to Mary can’t be wrong because it can’t be idolatry since we would - according to your logic - never turn to another god, false god, etc.

Why dodge my questions? Why are you afraid about who is reading this? I already asked you about a Christian denying Christ and becoming a Hindu and you dodged those questions too? Why are you so afraid?

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