Posted on 11/29/2008 1:42:24 PM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
Today many in the United States are crying out to Government to do more and more to fix our social ills. The notion that Big Government has all our answers and the solutions we need in this very chaotic and unstable world is fairy tale. It is one that is rooted in the personal belief that Fallen Man through and by the efforts of Big Government or "Socialism" can bring security and comfort to it's inhabitants and usher in a world Utopia of perfection and bliss. This ideology is full of good intentions and a delusion. The truth is that man apart from God and His righteousness can only bring upon himself the consequences of his own evil doings.
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The practices of Big Govt are what got our nation into the fix we’re in now.
I don’t know how we got the idea that government is solution to social ills. After the civil rights movement of the 50’s and 60’s, you would have thought that government would stop growing but Lyndon Johnson kept it growing...
Aha! Then there is FDR’s ideas....That was the beginning. And that was before my time!
And osama is bringing back FDR’s New Deal.
Leviathan. Obama. Same things.
Big government is pure idolatry. People are looking to government to meet their needs. To take care of them. To provide security and safety. Do not tell me that you are a Christian when you have placed the government at the center of your life. It’s like telling me that you are a vegan whilst stuffing your face with a BigMac. Obama likes to cloak himself in Christianity while setting himself as some sort of high priest in the government-as-god cult. ANd Christians by the millions fall for it rather than being repelled by him and others of his ilk.
I call it FDR’s RAW DEAL
LOL
And in Sunday School years ago we studied all the major religions/beliefs of the world. We did a chapter on Satanism and Occult. It is all about humans taking care of everything and not needing God at all. That is how I see Socialiam and OBama.
“We do not need more intellectual power, we need more moral power. We do not need more knowledge, we need more character. We do not need more government, we need more culture. We do not need more law, we need more religion. We do not need more of the things that are seen, we need more of the things that are unseen.... If the foundation is firm, the superstructure will stand.” -Calvin Coolidge
Hey... all the best, my man... Did you even read the post??? Slow down and take a read be ore you start preaching it. Man..., your like the drive by media!
The post condemns Big Gov. Many people identify themselves as Christians but reject the Bible, God’s Word. Bible believing Christian’s did not vote for Obama. ..and some of us held our nose voting for McCain only because Sarah was on the ticket. Conservative or liberal practices cannot bring about an Utopia. Only God will set it. “Thy Kingdom Come Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven”.
All the best!
Socialism and Faith in God do not mix.
This is because in order for socialism to have ANY chance at success, the populace must be willing to place an unprecedented amount of FAITH in the state... or dependence.
Such a level of faith in government has absolutely no room for other forms of dependence, especially in a very powerful organization such as the church. It is therefore not surprising that over the last 30 years, the socialist movement has sought to undermine the church by discrediting God and those who believe in Him. For the last 30 years, our government has systematically and progressively placed itself into a competitive role with the church as opposed to a supportive one.
When those in power are men of faith, they understand the inherent evils of big government. This is why the constitution was so restrictive on such powers. They also understood the important role that the church plays in society... to encourage individual dependence upon God whom the founders recognized as the One from whom our freedom is derived.
Unfortunately for us, and for freedom, we have rejected God as sovereign over our nation, and we therefore reject our freedom in favor of a governmental system which has failed to prove it’s ability to “provide” for the people each and every time it has ever been tried.
As a result, we no longer have men of faith in positions of power who understand what it takes to maintain our freedom. They only understand their own power... and the importance of a dependent people to maintain it.
Under God (ie. Reality liberals avoid), no one has power and authority all the time. (And redistribution in utilitrian prostitutive terms is a hoax since lack of consciousness allows infanticide and abortion according to liberals).
Under government it is simply slavery, the plantation system, rigid. Socialist type “ownership” is Oligarchy of the “Opinion makers”, our gods and consciousness of “elders”.
This is why they all pretend Obama is Messiah, supreme intelligence and has a team of “intelligent” people... because if it occurred they were the incompetent caught cheaters of citizenship they are, they’d be up to “infanticide”, or “euthanasia” by incompetence and mental illness.
,....They themselves would be up for “infanticide”, or “euthanasia” by incompetence and mental illness.... is what I meant.
It’s why in the end they will submit to the UN in a peace mea culpa style soviet trial and will accept their own execution for political reasons.
Capitalism and Faith in God do not mix.
Democracy's and Faith in God do not mix. Representative Republics and Faith in God do not mix.
Communism and Faith in God do not mix.
Human Monarchy's and Dictatorships do not mix with Faith in God.
The Faithful can survive and thrive under ANY form of government.
The Faithful already have a government better than any earthly government. We belong under the authority of a Godly King, a Heavenly Monarch, a Perfect Benevolent Dictator.
We are not of this world. Therefor, whatever form of earthly government our King has put over us in the meantime, we must be thankful since all forms of government keep some sense of "law and order", and are used to bless or rebuke the people into obedience.
I do find it interesting that under the harshest governments, the persecuted Christians can be the most faithful of us all.
Let us all get ready to grow, or be revealed for the fakes we very well may be.
Theocracy, which is what Christ will establish upon His return. Until then, I kind of like the government the Israelites had before they whined for a king like the nations around them had. After the God ordained Judges and Priestly rule, (of which I think is the second best way of government), God finally gave in to them after their much whining and gave them what they wanted. Other than David and part of Solomon' rule, and a few others, that didn't work out for them. They spent most of their days in idolatry which led to bondage.
What do you really know about how the United States of America came into being?
Well, I do know that it paralleled much of the Israelites journey to the Promise Land. The Israelites did not have religious freedom in Egypt, Our early ancestry didn't have freedom to worship, but were forced to abide by the King's church of England.
The Israelites left Egypt for the Promised Land. The early colonists left England, first to the land of the Dutch, but then after realizing they were losing their English identity, went back to England and then were allowed to come to our "Promised Land".
In Dt. 8 we see the Israelites receiving instruction before entering the Promised Land. They are told:
6 Observe the commands of the LORD your God, walking in his ways and revering him. 7 For the LORD your God is bringing you into a good land—a land with streams and pools of water, with springs flowing in the valleys and hills; 8 a land with wheat and barley, vines and fig trees, pomegranates, olive oil and honey; 9 a land where bread will not be scarce and you will lack nothing; a land where the rocks are iron and you can dig copper out of the hills. 10 When you have eaten and are satisfied, praise the LORD your God for the good land he has given you. 11 Be careful that you do not forget the LORD your God, failing to observe his commands, his laws and his decrees that I am giving you this day. 12 Otherwise, when you eat and are satisfied, when you build fine houses and settle down, 13 and when your herds and flocks grow large and your silver and gold increase and all you have is multiplied, 14 then your heart will become proud and you will forget the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
Now we come to early American history. We also prospered, like the Israelites. But we follwed suite, just like them. We "forgot the LORD our God" in all our prosperity.
In Daniel 2 we read:
40 Finally, there will be a fourth kingdom, strong as iron—for iron breaks and smashes everything—and as iron breaks things to pieces, so it will crush and break all the others. 41 Just as you saw that the feet and toes were partly of baked clay and partly of iron, so this will be a divided kingdom; yet it will have some of the strength of iron in it, even as you saw iron mixed with clay. 42 As the toes were partly iron and partly clay, so this kingdom will be partly strong and partly brittle. 43 And just as you saw the iron mixed with baked clay, so the people will be a mixture and will not remain united, any more than iron mixes with clay.
This will be the Roman Empire and it's remains and offshoots. I believe the Iron and Clay reference Democracy, a mixture of good and evil people leading. But there is no mixing of the two. Capitalism, although Biblical in a purist sense, is weakened by evil people who are Capitalists for greeds sake.Thus weakening the "kingdom".
I do believe that at this point in all of history that this is the best we can have, but it is still inferior as long as evil people are allowed to lead. The Rock will be here soon to smash all kingdoms and establish His own.
So to answer your charge to "Read up on your history.", I tend to look at ALL of it as opposed to just the last 400 hundred years. And I like to put it in it's proper context, looking at God's action and involvement with governments in the past, present, and the future.
Another victim of our failed school system...
As a 7 year HSLDA card carrying veteran with a 14 year old in his first year of college, and on track to have his masters in Computer Science by the age of 19, I'll try not to take offense to that.
>>>Another victim of our failed school system...
As a 7 year HSLDA card carrying veteran with a 14 year old in his first year of college, and on track to have his masters in Computer Science by the age of 19, I’ll try not to take offense to that.
Reactive on my part... I shouldn’t have said it.
It is just frustrating when I see the “conform not... we are not of this world” passage used to suggest that we shouldn’t be involved in our own democratic government.
You said that our democracy and Faith in God doesn’t mix as if we christians are “above it all”. It comes off as rather prideful and snootish to non-believers. We should understand what that really means, and consider how someone who is not familiar with Christianity will interpret it.
When it comes to our life here on this earth, we are no better than anyone else.
Thanks for not being offended.
No problem. Don't fret it.
We can't worry about how the world or non-believers will view us.
In Secular Humanism, the world answers the 4 Big Questions of Life like this:
1) Who am I? I am accidental primordial soup, with no inherent value, dignity, or worth.
2) Why am I here? I am here to consume and enjoy.
3) What's wrong with the world? A deficiency in education and a deficiency in governing is what is wrong with the world.
4) How can what is wrong be made right? More education, more governing.
In a Christian Worldview, we would answer like this:
1) Who am I? I am the crown and glory of God's creation with all of my value, dignity, and worth coming from Him.
2) Why am I here? To glorify God and enjoy Him forever by reflecting His image.
3) What's wrong with the world? Me. I don't do what I was created to do.
4) How can what is wrong be made right? By Christ's sacrificial, atoning death on the cross to satisfy the wrath of God against me and thereby allowing my spirit to be reborn of His Spirit and thus start the process of being conformed back to His image.
It is this 4th question that is applicable here. Whether it is a small or big government doesn't matter. Whether it is a Monarch, Democracy, or Communistic doesn't matter. The way the fourth question gets answered has to do with faith that reproduces. That is why I say they don't mix. They have two different purposes.
If we want to change America, save more souls. That's it. If every political office from the President on down to your local City Councilman was a believer, the guy next door to you will still be looking at porn, the lady across the street will still be having an affair, and the teenager living behind you will still be smoking pot.
I'm not saying that we should not get involved and vote for righteous candidates, but we have to understand that is not where the real battle will be one.
>>>We can’t worry about how the world or non-believers will view us.
Thats not the issue... its a matter of how non-believers will see Christ. People do have a tendency to judge God by those who claim to know Him. If we parade ourselves to be “better than they”, or in other ways suggest that they cannot come to know Christ until they meet a behavioral standard, They see us as hypocrites and the message of salvation as bogus.
The other thing to note is this... When God’s principles are adhered to, they work for everybody... not just christians. Speaking of government, when a people or nation desires freedom, and models their government after God’s laws and principles, they will thrive.
Perfection is simply not possible in a corrupt world.
God knows that. But what He wants is to win the lost.
If that means turning a free and spoiled society over to socialism to “unspoil” it’s people, He will do that despite the costs to freedom.
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