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Obama loses 26 points among Catholics
Zogby ^ | 08/04/08 | Vanity From Zogby poll

Posted on 08/05/2008 8:27:44 AM PDT by dangus

A July Zogby poll showed that Obama was leading among Catholics by 11 points. He is now trailing by 15. The link above is to the article in the main section of FR, but I thought this poll detail was worthy of discussion in the Religion section.

Such a massive rejection of a Democratic nominee is striking since Catholics come from heavily Democratic regions of the country, where huge majorities of non-Christians and Protestants vote overwhelmingly Democratic, and both traditional news outlets and political infrastructures are far to the left. (Catholics are the quintessential "Reagan Democrats.")


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: catholics; electionpresident; loses; obama; zogby
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To: dangus

Republican VP from PA, not a lot to choose from. Santorum badly damaged goods. Arlen sick looking and too left anyway. Ridge looks the part, but I guess that ain’t enough.


21 posted on 08/05/2008 9:24:22 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: babble-on; cpforlife.org; Coleus

**Santorum badly damaged goods. **

So sad, because he is so pro-life.


22 posted on 08/05/2008 9:26:06 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: dangus
Catholics who votes for Obama are basically excommunicating themselves.

enter the Table of Contents of the Catechism of the Catholic Church here

1: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2271  (618 bytes )  preview document matches
1 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion,
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2271.htm
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2: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2272  (580 bytes )  preview document matches
2 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2272.htm
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3: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2322  (290 bytes )  preview document matches
2 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 § 3),
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2322.htm
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4: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2274  (554 bytes )  preview document matches
gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2274.htm

23 posted on 08/05/2008 9:27:56 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: dangus
Obama loses 26 points among Catholics
Barack Obama's Wife Michelle to Join Hillary Clinton at Pro-Abortion Dinner
OPINION: Senator Obama and the Wall of the Womb
Barack Obama's Pledge to Overturn Every Pro-Life Abortion Law One Year Old
Obama Worse than Clintons on Abortion Says National Right to Life Leader Interview-SCOTUS Critical

Roman Catholics for Obama '08
OBAMA TO CATHOLICS: NO VOUCHERS
How can Catholics for Obama rationalize their support for the pro-choice candidate?
Obama’s director of Catholic Outreach ‘dodges’ opportunity to reach Catholics
Barack Obama Slams John McCain For Opposing Abortion, Activist Judges

Catholics and Obama
COMMENTARY: Quandry for Catholics At Election Time
The Latest Refinement (Obama on Abortion)
CNN Runs Biased News Story Covering Up Barack Obama’s Pro-Abortion Record
Jill Stanek: Obama's biggest lie about supporting infanticide
The Battle for Catholic Voters

New Report Indicates Voters Most Interested in Barack Obama’s Position on Abortion
Deal Hudson: Obama and Infanticide?
Ad asks Obama: ‘If fatherhood begins at conception, when does life begin?’
Embryonic stem-cell research immoral, unnecessary, bishops say
Catholics should not vote for Obama
Catholic Caucus: It is a sin to vote/support Obama/DNC [abortion]

More Catholics leaning towards Democrats, poll reports (really not Catholics)
The Catholic-Obama Problem (Pope Benedict XVI instructs Catholics about pro-abortion candidates)
Obama's Abortion Bombshell: Unrestricted Abortion....
NARAL Catholics Line Up for Obama
Editorial: Disagreeing with Doug Kmiec One More Time
State-Funded Embryo Research "Makes Taxpayers Complicit in Killing", say Bishops

McCain Meets Privately with Fr. Pavone - Says Constitutional Right to Life Applies to Unborn
Faithful Citizenship: “Catholic Vote” is very sought after
Has Obama dissolved his Catholic advisory council?
Commentary: Faithful Citizenship and the Formed Conscience
Catholic League: Where's Obama's 'Catholic Advisory Council'? [Not to be found!]
Right-wing Christians beginning to lean left (Misleading headline)

Catholics Debate Obama Vote
US Bishops Urge Voters to Give Priority to Life [Ecumenical]
Corralling the Catholic vote: Political necessity or pipe dream?
DOUG KMIEC: Catholic Reasons for Hope in the General Election
EDITORIAL: Why This Catholic Dreads the Campaign
The Catholic-Obama Problem (Pope Benedict XVI instructs Catholics about pro-abortion candidates)
Thoughts On ‘Roman Catholics For Obama’

How Obama's Catholics Will Dodge the Infanticide Question
Catholic Pro-Life Leader Feuds With Barack Obama's "Catholic" Backers
McCain and the Pope: McCain cannot win in November without the Catholic vote (Reagan re-visited?)
Catholics Cannot Vote for Pols Who Support Abortion, Except for Morally Grave Reasons: KY Bishops

24 posted on 08/05/2008 9:30:46 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: dangus

I think it’s likely because those Catholics finally got full information about Obama’s enthusiastic support of abortion, for any reason whatsoever, at any stage of pregnancy, AND with government funding. Until a few months ago, all most folks ever heard of Obama was the adulation coming from the MSM. Now there is much more being brought to light, and folks who might have though they’d vote for him earlier are seeing him for who he really is, and they aren’t liking what they see.


25 posted on 08/05/2008 9:34:26 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: dangus

These polls of Catholics are always a little problematic. Many self-identified Catholics, especially in the northeast, have not been inside a church in years.

Churchgoing Catholics tend to be more conservative than their lapsed brethren.


26 posted on 08/05/2008 9:34:27 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Good point: Church-going Catholics vote heavily Republican; as Republican as “religious right” Protestant denominations, which is amazing because such denominations are often formed of people who specifically rejected the liberalism of mainline Protestantism.


27 posted on 08/05/2008 9:39:56 AM PDT by dangus
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I’m Catholic, and it’s good to see that some other Catholics are finally finding out that NObama is pro-Abortion. NObama should get ZERO Catholic votes (and really ZERO Christian votes) based on his abortion stance. How can a Christian vote for NObama and his Pro-Abortion stance? How is this even possible???


28 posted on 08/05/2008 9:42:28 AM PDT by NoRedTape
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To: dangus

My question is this: Why, with his record, did he ever have support from Catholics???


29 posted on 08/05/2008 9:53:05 AM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY ( The Constitution needs No interpreting, only APPLICATION!)
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To: NoRedTape

I believe that elections over some 30-40 yrs the winner has had the catholic vote.


30 posted on 08/05/2008 9:56:23 AM PDT by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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To: dangus

When you consider that Hispanics are nearly 100% Catholic or Evangelical, and are strongly pro-Obama (except for the Cubans), McCain’s lead among non-Hispanic Catholics must be very large.


31 posted on 08/05/2008 10:08:40 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Obama "King of Kings and Lord of Lords")
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
When you consider that Hispanics are nearly 100% Catholic or Evangelical, and are strongly pro-Obama (except for the Cubans), McCain’s lead among non-Hispanic Catholics must be very large.

From a thread about the 2004 election results:

An important division exists between white and minority Catholics, particularly Hispanic Catholics. While they are a swing group overall, white Catholics voted decidedly for George W. Bush in 2004, 56 percent to 43 percent, and Hispanic Catholics strongly supported John Kerry, voting 65 percent to 33 percent in his favor. In this year's exit poll, Hispanics made up 17 percent of Catholics, a jump of 4 percent from 2000. It will be interesting to see if this rift deepens over time as the makeup of the American Catholic church continues to change.

32 posted on 08/05/2008 10:40:05 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: dangus
Gee, I wonder why...


33 posted on 08/05/2008 10:42:39 AM PDT by Antoninus (Every second spent bashing McCain is time that could be spent helping Conservatives downticket.)
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To: Antoninus

Very good poster:)


34 posted on 08/05/2008 10:49:05 AM PDT by fatima
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To: dangus
Kaine did well with Catholic voters in Northern Virginia by appearing to be pro-life (like Landrieu and Casey Jr.)

If Kaine or another "pro-life Catholic Democrat" is selected (I don't believe that a true pro-life Catholic Democrat could be selected), this parallel needs to be pointed out gratuitously.

This must be done especially in states like PA; if that is pointed out, it might even work, because the people of those states have been burned once already by faux-pro-life Dems.

(I'm still sore over Casey)

35 posted on 08/05/2008 12:43:56 PM PDT by GCC Catholic (Sour grapes make terrible whine.)
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To: Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; TenthAmendmentChampion; ...
Priests for Life has their Voter Guides outlining the differences between McCain & Obama http://www.priestsforlife.org/elections/

It's very well done and can be used anywhere.

Any Christian, any decent human, that reads these would have to side with McCain over Obama.


36 posted on 08/05/2008 1:31:39 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY

You can ask that question across the board.

Why, with his record, did he ever have support from Protestants? Jews? (skip Muslims...we know why he has support there)


37 posted on 08/05/2008 1:36:06 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper (A vote for third party is a vote for nObama)
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To: vamoose

The articles I read said Kaine is an ex-Catholic.


38 posted on 08/05/2008 1:47:47 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: cpforlife.org
"A July Zogby poll showed that Obama was leading among Catholics by 11 points. He is now trailing by 15. "

There is NOTHING appealing about Obama for Catholics who take the issues seriously. He is one of the most ethically and theologically confused candidates in recent times. But the estrangement is also cultural and stylistic. Catholic Democrats have seen what happens when radical policies come to their neighborhoods. A candidate perceived as whooping things up is not going to do as well as McCain with his low-key demeanor. But Obama's abortionism will hurt him with the Catholic vote, perhaps enough in states like Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan to tilt the election.

The Dems NEVER get this. They just don't get it. They try to crossdress as believers but still have a culture gap here.

39 posted on 08/05/2008 1:56:19 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: dangus

i certainly hope so, he’s the most pro-abortion candidate ever to run for the presidency.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIdbYjmbFzo


40 posted on 08/05/2008 1:59:23 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion and Physician-assisted Murder (aka-Euthanasia), Don't Democrats just kill ya?)
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