Why so many LDS threads?

08-May-2008 | Grig

[Grig]

I am posting this on behalf of many LDS freepers. They will post their own 'signature' to this in the comments below. --- Some of you have noticed lately a lot of LDS (ie: Mormon) threads here on FR. I'm going to tell you why.

For many years there have been several active LDS freepers here. We post to all the forums on relevant issues, and were happy to have a site where conservative values were so openly welcomed.

Those conservative values include faith in God, and freedom of religion. We fully respect the rights of all posters to express their opinions and views on religious matters, even when people choose to use those rights to express criticism of our own faith. We also support the ideas embodied in FR rules against religion bashing. There is no need for hostility and there should be no room for bigotry on FR. Every religion has it's miracles and mysteries. Every faith has things in it that are not or can not be proven, and things that run contrary to what secular science would have us believe. Someone mature and confident in their own faith generally doesn't feel the need to belittle the faith of others.

We have, to the best of our ability, conducted ourselves with civility and dignity. We do not feel that that respect has been returned by some posters (putting it mildly).

When Mormon missionaries were murdered, the moderators were kept busy pulling jubilant posts off the thread. When Elizabeth Smart was abducted from her home, we contended for months with posters who appeared to be motivated by religious bigotry doing all they could to smear the family and accuse the father. Several posters openly admitted their religious motivation in opposing Mitt Romney and confessed that no matter how conservative any Mormon was, they would never vote for one for President of the USA. When the Pope died, I don't think any Mormon poster posted anything unkind, yet the thread about the passing of our President recently needed many comments removed.

Nearly every thread having any connection with Mormons, or Utah winds up being hijacked by anti-Mormon activists who copy and paste the same false accusations over and over even when it has been clearly and factually pointed out to them on multiple occasions that they are bearing false witness against our faith. Everything possible is done by these activists to make FR a hostile place for Mormons, and for at least some of them, bashing Mormonism is all they do here. Their most recent project is trying to blur the fact that the polygamous FLDS is a separate and distinct religion from ours, just as Lutherans are a separate and distinct religion from Catholicism.

In our opinion, such poster do a great disservice to FR and to their fellow freepers by spreading disinformation and promoting hostility towards a people known for walking the walk of conservative values.

Why the moderators here don't see the behavior of these anti-Mormon activists as religion bashing is a mystery to us, but it is the moderators call to make and we respect their right to do so. That doesn't mean we have to be passive however. We have all spent many hours refuting the accusations leveled at our faith, but these wind up buried deep in a flood of comments, effectively shouting us down.

Recently some of us have decided to take a more proactive approach. Rather than try to wrestle the pig into taking a bath, we are just going to hose it down. We will actively define our faith here rather than just respond to accusations.

So expect to see lots of Mormon threads, now and for as long as we see fit to keep posting them (although probably not as many as there are Catholic threads). They will be about our basic doctrines and responses to common accusations. If you want to know what our faith is about, read the articles we post. We will post them as open threads and I encourage you to compare the difference in tone and spirit between what we post and what our critics say.

[Elsie]

("I wasn't in church during the time when the statements were made.")

"I don't know that we teach that."

[Elsie]

http://www.salamandersociety.com/slamtoons/cards/

[Elsie]

"Go thou and tell that Fox" is not calling someone a name.

You have just shown how shallow your Bible knowledge is. Again...

[MHGinTN]

“That’s Just a Couplet.” You’ve been paying attention, Dude!

[DelphiUser]

I Said: We believe in Jesus Christ and accept him as our Lord and Savior.

U Said: Amen; Brother!!

What you said!

--MormonDude('course; He ain't EXACTLY the way Christianity has known Him for centuries, in our minds.)

A. You are not a "Mormon Dude", so every time you post like this you are being dishonest, and any Lurker who reads your post knows it.
B. Mormons do worship Jesus known the way the Disciples knew him while he was alive -- Before the Trinity corrupted "Orthodox Christianity" (admittedly our perspective, not "Orthodox Christianity's")

The funny thing about this is you act like we are shy about the differences Mormonism has with "Orthodox Christianity" when it's part of the First discussion. At which point you are "exposing us" for what we tout, and that's downright funny.

[DelphiUser]

You'd best read your Bible - New Testement will be fine - first.

It gives quite GRAPHIC descriptions of what FALSE teachers will do and say.

Been there, Read that. Most false teachers do not teach people to pray bout their words. If a false teacher teaches people to pray about his words, that false teacher doesn't have much success perverting the ways of God now do they?

Nice inferred slander By the way, you've been practicing, and it shows.

[DelphiUser]

I Said: Elsie, my FRiend, that includes your posts too, I do not believe that any one who looks at your posting history will have any doubts about your mission here.

U Said: Yup: Snatch 'em from the fire if they are willing.

Saving by insulting? Not exactly an Orthodox method...

[DelphiUser]

You posted the entire chapter 14 from the book of Nephi The Bible talks about the "Whore of all the earth", So?

Show me a religion that does not say the everyone else is going to have a bad time in the afterlife except them...

[Godzilla]

Most false teachers do not teach people to pray bout their words. If a false teacher teaches people to pray about his words, that false teacher doesn't have much success perverting the ways of God now do they?

You have it exactly opposite of reality, the words are compared to the standard of the Bible - just like the Bereans. Paul didn't tell them to 'pray' about their teachings, they compared them to the scripture. False teachers try to get people's eyes off the scripture and on to a substitute - such as a subjective 'burning' feeling.

[DelphiUser]

I Said: Please show one post where I have damned anyone to Hell

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U Said: Here ya go, stylish guy..

U Said: If you were unaware, “eternal peril” to a Christian is Hell...BB Not to Biblical Christians, being in danger of "Judgment" is in the Bible, how you interpret my words is not my problem, I am only responsible for my words, and for how they were intended.

Eternal peril can be interpreted as HELL, however, I did not damn you to "ETERNAL PERIL". I did not mention you at all, you self selected yourself into that group. I could have just as easily said Adulterers are in danger of eternal peril, and you could have said I'm an adulterer, how dare you damn me to hell...

On this forum I have been told directly that I was going to hell, called a devil, called a demon from the pit, been told I was damned to hell for my Faith in Jesus. Saying that anyone who denies my testimony of Jesus and the Book of Mormon was in danger of eternal peril is not specifically and directly damning someone to HELL. I know that the Clown posse will try to make it that, good luck twisting the English language, you'll need it.

[DelphiUser]

I SaidI :You still never answered my questions that you said could be answered:
What’s the marital status of the number five?
How much is your name?

Remember?

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U SaidI :I answered that days ago...
The next question in the sequence will be about Netlix...
((((((((((((((( REMEMBER ?????????? )))))))))))))))

Actually, your answer:

Why so many LDS threads? [Open]

Tuesday, July 15, 2008 11:55:53 AM · 2,374 of 2,650
Tennessee Nana to DelphiUser

What is the marital status of the number Five?

How much is your name?

What time is your house?
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But I know the answer to that...

The next question is about NetFlix

Do you have shares ????

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Addressed none of the questions.

Which is interesting since it was your postulate that any unanswered question = a lie.

[DelphiUser]

U Said: Your idiot “priesthood” title means diddly to me..

Who said anything about the priesthood, you were giving me orders...

U Said: There is no source for it in the Bible..

No source for the priesthood?

U Said: And Joseph Smith never had any “keys” or authority from God to give out titles to anyone..

Stating opinion as fact again?

U Said: You can call yourself the Dali Lama if you like...

Nah, all the incense gives me a headache

U Said: (Actually Saffron would look good on you )

Actually it's not a good color with my skin tone.

[DelphiUser]

U Said: Yeah, that’s a silly excuse, not a reason. Especially since the ‘you’ll go to hell unless you’re a _fill in the blank_. I have, however heard that preached in a bunch of Baptist Churches.

I can and have in the past found similar statements in every religion that I have bothered to check, and yes, I have been damned to hell specifically and personally in a baptist meeting.

[Godzilla]

Eternal peril can be interpreted as HELL, however, I did not damn you to "ETERNAL PERIL".

Editing your responses again. Come on DU, define your terms - what else does ETERNAL PERIL mean in the context but hell.

ANYONE WHO DENIES MY WITNESS DOES SO AT HIS OR HER ETERNAL PERIL You said ANYONE WHO DENIES MY WITNESS DU, it is your personalized, subjective witness - therefore YOU are declaring that whoever denies that they are condemned to hell. YOU are not associating it with anyone other than YOU and your witness. If you are not desiring to make such statements, you should not post these statements in this manner.

I know that the Clown posse will try to make it that, good luck twisting the English language, you'll need it.

Oh, resorting to name calling - I thought you explicitly told me that you didn't do such things. A very clintonesque response too - first you twist the english language, then you accuse your opponent of the same prior to their response.

[DelphiUser]

So we have an anti site with an anti guy talking about waht he obviously does not understand (peter James and John are not time travelers for starters...

"Let me explain, no, there is to much, let me sum up..."

This guy is a professional arranger of Bovine Scatology.

Things were not put back in later, the offices of Elder, Teacher, Priest, etc are offices in the priesthood. When I say I was driving down the road, I don't have to mention that I was in my car, it's assumed that people understand that.

[MHGinTN]

“When I say I was driving down the road, I don’t have to mention that I was in my car, it’s assumed that people understand that.” Bwahahahaha, cattle get driven ‘down the road’ in my area, by herders on foot, on three and four wheelers, and in pickup trucks. Had a big rig come through one day that would stop at 100 foot intervals and ‘drive’ an impact device onto the road surface, to record echos on equipment set to record the rebounding sound waves. Bwahahaha, the idea of someone ‘driving’ with only an auto isn’t so narrow after all! Oops! I’ve interrupted the poster’s thread egotrip. I’ll leave the thread now.

[SkyPilot]

So we have an anti site with an anti guy talking about waht he obviously does not understand

Actually, he knows exactly what he is talking about.

You are wrong (yet) again DU.

Shawn is a familiar face as the host of "Heart of the Matter" and "The Infallible Word" TV shows. He is the author of the book "I Was A Born-Again Mormon" and is a leader of Lord's Word. Growing up in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS), Shawn served a mission in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. He married his wife, Mary, in the Los Angeles Temple. They are both graduates of Brigham Young University. While a member of the LDS Church, Shawn served as a home teacher, elder's quorum president, seminary teacher and a member of a Bishopric and Stake High Council. In 2001, Shawn asked to be excommunicated from the LDS Church due to his personal relationship with Jesus Christ. After a successful career as a securities broker, Shawn spent 2 years in training for pastoral ministry at the Calvary Chapel School of Ministry. Shawn and Mary are proud parents of 3 daughters.

[MHGinTN]

Careful there, brother. Eventually we might cause DU to catch hold of his own tale/tail, and then where will he roll?

[DelphiUser]

U Said: Mormons teach that this is the pre-incarnation name and reference of Christ. This becomes important in the following:

Actually, we do teach that Jehovah is the premortal name of Jesus Christ, so?

I do worship him, he is my God. for he is a member of the Godhead which I worship as the one God, of Abraham, and of Issac, and of Jacob

you want to talk about The God of the old testament, lets start at the beginning, in Genesis 1:26, god is talking, who to? Why not God thought? in Verse 26, God says, Let us make man in Our Image, after Our likeness...

God talking to himself, us, our? Why say this if God is one substance. From the very beginning of the Bible, the Trinity misleads people down the path of not understanding god's glorious plan of Salvation. God is at the same time each of the members of the Godhead, and all of them.

I Said: The almighty God of Israel, whose only begotten son suffered, and died atoning for my sins, was buried and arose on the third day, this my Savior, my Lord, my God

U Said: So, according to DU's statement of faith, this same Jehovah/Jesus begat himself as Jesus and that they worship Jesus (see the context of Gen 17:1 where Jehovah and 'el Shadday are names for the same singular God).

Specifically, this is a twisting of my words trying to make them fit your perspective, you are wrong. This is the problem of letting anyone interpret the scriptures for you, you only get part of what they say, instead, everyone should pray and look for inspiration from God, and what God tells you to do, do, when God tells you something is true, believe it, when God tells you not to believe something, believe it not. (and yes, if God told me not to believe the Book of Mormon, I would not believe it, but God testified and still does testify of it, so here we are.)

U Said: Of course, DU is being a little defective in the proper naming of which particular god of mormonism he is referring to here, because to do so with out the garb of standard Christian terminology, the average reader would be quickly turned off.

I am being far more accurate than the Bible is in that respect. I suppose it would not matter if I gave you my word I was not trying to be tricky? No?

U Said: What standard terminology? The usage of standard Trinitarian references to God to hide mormon polytheism.

Mormonism is not polytheistic, polytheism, specifically is more than just the belief that more than one God exists, but the worship of more than one God.

As I have stated before when we went around on this, I believe men can make gods unto themselves of just about anything. In the old days men made gods of wood and stone, Idols, and worshiped them instead of God. in today's world we have shows like American Idol, we have pop Idols and divas, and sports teams, cars and money, which are worshiped by many instead of God. How many people skip church to watch the super bowl? how many people arrange church to fit their life instead of their life to fit their church? this is in my view Idol worship.

In the Bible God commands husbands and wives to be one, Jesus commands all the disciples to be one, even as he and the father are one, Jesus commands the church to be one...

Saying that the belief in a God who is "one" in the way one is used throughout the Bible, a oneness of heart might mind and strength, is polytheism is just plain misrepresenting our beliefs, and I know you "know better" because I have explained this to you before, truly, there are none so blind as those who will not see. Ye are blind guides when it comes to teaching people about our religion.

U Said: What? Polytheism! Yes dear friend, polytheism, the same polytheism that gets mormons wrapped around the axle to the point that they themselves argue if they worship the father god or the god jesus.

I have never been "wrapped around the axle" on that, we worship both, as one God (we even worship the Holy spirit as part of that "one".

U Said: Their confusion isn't helped by the fact that they were taught for nearly 100 years that Adam was the father god.

Specifically, no we do not believe that, but why bother, I'll let you have some more rope...

U Said: So what do they believe?

Yeah, the same people that come to you about what we believe go to the football coach for help with Trig.

the Plurality of Gods - God the Father, God Jesus, God the Holy Ghost, all in one God from one perspective it's three, from another, it's one.

This is actually less confusing than the trinity, but you are intent on jumping into the deep end of the pool...

Joseph smith was right about God, you are wrong about "uncountable God's" there is only one. your insistence that there are uncountable Gods only shows that you do not understand what you attempt to teach, thanks coach... but I'll go talk to the Math teacher now...

I don't know where you got the Idea that we believe that God sins, we don't believe that (now the "Coach" is having trouble with algebra)

God being eternal, Joseph smith understood more about temporal mechanics than you do (which is not a complement) Let me explain it in as simple of terms as I can.

If you have a being which was trapped in time as we are now, and a being not trapped in time liberates a being from Time so that it becomes free from the effects of Time, you can never say there was a time in which that being did not exist (for existing outside of time it can travel in time, as easily (or easier) than we travel in space. I have never been to Hawaii, that does not mean I can't go next week. or for a time being outside of time, Last Week) This freed being may not have ever been to the 1200's, but that does not mean he cannot go there, anytime (pun fully intended). Because God exists outside of time he can affect time without creating a paradox, it's suddenly just always the way it's been, in time. Anyone who is saved by Jesus Christ unto exaltation, inherits God's kingdom, and becomes immortal, incorruptible, and is removed from the effects of Time.

Galations 4:3-7

3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. 7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

This is the Gospel Paul taught to the Galations, this is the Gospel Paul said:
Galations 1:6-10

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

Paul said anyone who changed the Gospel of an eternal inheritance with Christ as the reward for faithfulness, they would be accursed, Paul said that anyone who denied that Christ was an heir of God would be accursed. The Trinity denies these things. The Trinity denies that Jesus is the son by making him God. The Trinity denies that we can be Jiont-Heirs with Jesus Christ, which is at the very heart of the Gospel.

I submit that while yo may know the definition of the word you have no concept of "Eternity", or of the nature of God. (and yes, I am talking about the nature of God in the Bible)

U Said: Mormonism teaches that God is not Spirit (John 4:24)

"You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body." -- C.S. Lewis So do you have a spirit? (I hope the answer is yes) are you just a spirit? (Again, I hope the answer is no). God has a Body, he is also a spirit, spirit and Body inseparably connected is whatdefines a resurrected being. Tell me, if being only a spirit is so great, why is resurrection so important? Why curse us spirits with an eternal ball and chain of a Body? This belief that God is "spirit only" is pure Greek mysticism and is a corruption of biblical teaching.

U Said: These are but a few of the characteristics of the gods of mormonism. Stripped way from the mormon redefined Christian terminology this becomes very apparent. The True God of the Bible (God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit) told Israel not to have any other gods before them. To believe in another god(s) is a form of idolatry. To insist on following the God of the Mormon Church will result in spiritual death, a painful separation from the Creator for all eternity.

I understand your perspective, and I am glad for your soul's sake you are not the author of these teachings, but are repeating what you have been taught.

U Said: Next lurkers and interested readers out there, consider the follow from DU -

I Said: ANYONE WHO DENIES MY WITNESS DOES SO AT HIS OR HER ETERNAL PERIL.

U Said: And this

I Said: Try as I might, I cannot find the word "Hell" in your quotation of my words. I do speak of eternal peril, but you assumed the "Hell" it's just not there. I do not propose to explain to lurkers why I didn't use the words I didn't use.

I did not damn anyone to hell, specifically, I did not list any one person. I did not say they would go to hell, for I am not their judge, that's Jesus' job and I for one am grateful for that. I did not use the word hell for a reason (the judgment aspect is only one reason), another reason is, people here (hopefully) are still alive, they have not been judged yet,they can still repent so it's peril, not final. Denying a testimony of Jesus is not trivial thing. Denying a testimony of the Book of Mormon is not nearly as bad, but still not a good thing. Argue all you want, I have never dammed anyone here to hell which was the charge.

U Said: I think that with the semantic game played to hide mormonism's polytheism make it clear as to the strong inference (in all CAPITOL letters to boot) that common sense would interpret ETERNAL PERIL is what - paradise? a trip to disney land?

I can't help what you think... The facts of the matter however are that Mormons are not polytheistic, and we don't typically go around "Damning people to hell". As you ceaselessly point out here, I am not an "Orthodox Christian" because I am a Mormon, yet you want to interpret my words with your perspective, why not just stop interpreting my words, I am saying what I mean, not "what you think I mean".

U Said: No, in common Judeo-Christian usage here in America, eternal peril is a reference to hell. Word usage to avoid negative responses by readers does not negate the obvious intent of the passage and its context. Notice too, that in replying, DU fails to define what he really meant when he used that phrase - which apparently means a lot to him since he shouted it. If DU doesn't propose to explain to lurkers the words he doesn't use, at least he can define the words he DOES USE. At least his prophets and church leaders were clear about Christians.

I have defined what I meant, you just can't hear me because you think you know what I am going to say before I say it, hence your constant reference to "burners" when I have never said my witness was from a burning in my bosom, specificallyI have said it was not.

I particularly found this amusing "If DU doesn't propose to explain to lurkers the words he doesn't use," Please explain to all of us the words you don't use... (coming soon another unabridged dictionary post from Godzilla!)

U Said: “Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls.”
- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, see pp. 45-46

Let's try for a little honesty here, Bruce R. McConkie wrote Mormon Doctrine fifteen(15) years, I believe before he was appointed an apostle, so attributing the words to him as an apostle is a bit disingenuous...

Bruce R. Mcconkie wanted the work "canonized", it was not in part because of it's incendiary tone towards non members, and Catholics in specific, Later when he had mellowed a bit he was called as an apostle. So it's not authoritative for the Church, it is however a Good read, and a good source for most things. I am sure I can find many such works by "Orthodox Christians" who later rose to prominence in their religions, but I'm to busy to do that homework right now. Lurkers might be asking themselves, but he knows this about Bruce R. McConkie off the top of his head? The R stands for Redd which is a family name, we do genealogy, we are distantly related, 'nuff said.

U Said: "...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels." - Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr. , The Elders Journal, v. 1, no. 4, p. 60

I could quote you some things that Martin Luther said about the Pope and Catholics...

Except I'm not here to bash them, you are here to bash us, and unfortunately for you, I'm not here to bash, but to teach and testify...

My Testimony I know that my redeemer lives. I know that though I will grow old(er) and die, I will in my Flesh stand before him to be judged. I testify that Jesus Christ is my redeemer, My Judge, My God. I know that only through his grace can I be saved. I know this with every fiber of my being. I have put the Promises contained in the Book of Mormon at Moroni 10:4, and in First John 4:1-3 and Prayed to God about the Book of Mormon and was told that it was true and that Jesus was my savior and walked in the flesh on the earth. I am far from perfect. Any errors in my page here, or in my posts or anywhere else, are my mistakes, attribute not to God my faults for mine are many and he is perfect. Blame me if you must blame anyone for the imperfections of my works, but know this, I tried to do a Good work, My failings are my own, and not my masters.

Last of all, I testify to you that Jesus lives! The bonds of death and hell cannot prevail against him nor against any who he calls his in the last day, my hope is to be among them and to have him wash me clean that I may enter in and dwell with him forever.

In the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.

[Elsie]

A. You are not a "Mormon Dude", so every time you post like this you are being dishonest, and any Lurker who reads your post knows it.

Yeah...

That's EXACTLY what they will think.