Why so many LDS threads?

08-May-2008 | Grig

[Grig]

I am posting this on behalf of many LDS freepers. They will post their own 'signature' to this in the comments below. --- Some of you have noticed lately a lot of LDS (ie: Mormon) threads here on FR. I'm going to tell you why.

For many years there have been several active LDS freepers here. We post to all the forums on relevant issues, and were happy to have a site where conservative values were so openly welcomed.

Those conservative values include faith in God, and freedom of religion. We fully respect the rights of all posters to express their opinions and views on religious matters, even when people choose to use those rights to express criticism of our own faith. We also support the ideas embodied in FR rules against religion bashing. There is no need for hostility and there should be no room for bigotry on FR. Every religion has it's miracles and mysteries. Every faith has things in it that are not or can not be proven, and things that run contrary to what secular science would have us believe. Someone mature and confident in their own faith generally doesn't feel the need to belittle the faith of others.

We have, to the best of our ability, conducted ourselves with civility and dignity. We do not feel that that respect has been returned by some posters (putting it mildly).

When Mormon missionaries were murdered, the moderators were kept busy pulling jubilant posts off the thread. When Elizabeth Smart was abducted from her home, we contended for months with posters who appeared to be motivated by religious bigotry doing all they could to smear the family and accuse the father. Several posters openly admitted their religious motivation in opposing Mitt Romney and confessed that no matter how conservative any Mormon was, they would never vote for one for President of the USA. When the Pope died, I don't think any Mormon poster posted anything unkind, yet the thread about the passing of our President recently needed many comments removed.

Nearly every thread having any connection with Mormons, or Utah winds up being hijacked by anti-Mormon activists who copy and paste the same false accusations over and over even when it has been clearly and factually pointed out to them on multiple occasions that they are bearing false witness against our faith. Everything possible is done by these activists to make FR a hostile place for Mormons, and for at least some of them, bashing Mormonism is all they do here. Their most recent project is trying to blur the fact that the polygamous FLDS is a separate and distinct religion from ours, just as Lutherans are a separate and distinct religion from Catholicism.

In our opinion, such poster do a great disservice to FR and to their fellow freepers by spreading disinformation and promoting hostility towards a people known for walking the walk of conservative values.

Why the moderators here don't see the behavior of these anti-Mormon activists as religion bashing is a mystery to us, but it is the moderators call to make and we respect their right to do so. That doesn't mean we have to be passive however. We have all spent many hours refuting the accusations leveled at our faith, but these wind up buried deep in a flood of comments, effectively shouting us down.

Recently some of us have decided to take a more proactive approach. Rather than try to wrestle the pig into taking a bath, we are just going to hose it down. We will actively define our faith here rather than just respond to accusations.

So expect to see lots of Mormon threads, now and for as long as we see fit to keep posting them (although probably not as many as there are Catholic threads). They will be about our basic doctrines and responses to common accusations. If you want to know what our faith is about, read the articles we post. We will post them as open threads and I encourage you to compare the difference in tone and spirit between what we post and what our critics say.

[Elsie]

And what is your basis for thinking that God considers the doctrine of the Trinity to be an abomination ? Anything from scripture ?

YES!!!

OUR scripture!

--MormonDude(It's in there somewhere: I just KNOW it!)

[Elsie]

How do I know the Trinity is not of God? Simple, Go and read the Account of the event as recorded by the Catholic church, as prophesied in the Bible in Gal 1:6-10, Constantine called the conference, for his purposes, Constantine set the agenda, Constantine presided over the meeting and the meeting was not adjourned until Constantine was happy with the results. For the record, when all this happened, Constantine was a pagan sun worshiper. Once the conference was completed, Constantine let Sylvester the pope at the time know what had happened to his religion. Can anyone imagine the Catholic church allowing this to happen today? Is this the way God's truth is revealed? This specifically fulfills the prophecy in Galatians, and it was "soon" just as the Bible said it would be.

 

 

How do I know the Book of MORMON is not of God? Simple, Go and read the Account of the event as recorded by the LDS Organization, as prophesied in the Bible in 2 Corinthians 11:14-15,   Joseph Smith 'translated' the plates, for his purposes, Joseph Smith set the agenda, Joseph Smith  presided over the translation sessions and they were not adjourned until Joseph Smith  was happy with the results. For the record, when all this happened, Joseph Smith  had tried to join one of the abomiable churches in the land. Once the translating was done, Joseph Smith let the world at that time know what had happened to THEIR religion. Can anyone imagine the CHRISTIAN church allowing this to happen today? Is this the way God's truth is revealed? This specifically fulfills the prophecy in Galatians 1:7-10 and in 2 Corinthians 11:14-15, and it was  just as the Bible said it would be.

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(My thanks to DU for the boilerplate)

[Osage Orange]

Hey, I was at the Story telling festival too...

Were you featured?

[DelphiUser]

I think that it is quite reasonable ... given the times and circumstances. Recall from the scriptures cited yesterday demonstrated that even the unbelieving Jewish hierarchy conceded that Jesus had power. In fact, at a point during His ministry, ... they tried to convince the people that His power came from Satan.

I thought we'd have to agree to disagree on this, I find it very obvious that the Sons of Sceva were Levites. If they were Levites, they would have nothing to do with using the name of a man who got his power from Satan. Considering the times and pressures, I think it far more reasonable that the Jews seeing Paul and the other apostles casting out devils were hard pressed not to go out and do the same, and when they could not, they went and studied Jesus, having studied, they tried to emulate, using the authority they "had" under the law of Moses as Levites. At this point however, we are both high up on towers of supposition based on our interpretation of the scriptures, neither of us will convince the other. I see how you got to your position, my only goal is for you to see how I got to mine.

An example:
When I was in high school, I had a science teacher who spent an entire semester on the of evolution, at the end of that semester, we had a test, and I got all but one question right, the last question, "Do you believe the theory of evolution" I answered no. When I got my test back, I went to the teacher's desk and complained that the last question was impossible to get wrong, she had asked what I believed. She got mad and sent me to the principles office. When I arrived, and the principle asked me what was wrong, I still had my test in hand, I just handed it to him and pointed to the last question. After the ensuing fireworks, I and every student in the class had the last question "right" and it was stricken from future tests. (Pugnacious punk wasn't I? Well after being paralyzed, no teacher scared me...) My point is that you can as I did completely understand a perspective while disagreeing with it. My hope is that you will come to understand our perspective, belief is your choice.

It is not at all unreasonable that there would be some Jews who would attempt to access the power that Jesus displayed, while all the while denying the truths that He taught.

I find it completely unreasonable that priest of God would attempt to use the name of a man he thought was of the devil to do anything. (My opinion...)

Well ... here is the first problem, ...

I am not arguing your position, merely attempting to explain ours, so no propblem.

The doctrine of the Trinity asserts that God is (3) Persons .... in one God. Look it up.

I have read the several definitions created over time as the "Trinity", the kind posters here at FR never cease to post it to me, thank you, my link to the Catholic encyclopedia contains the first such incarnation. Here, I'll give you the link again.

We will probably never agree, but I'm sure we can understand each other without damming each other to Hell every time we see each other. Look at how hard some of the posters on this forum work to be offensive, me, I 'm just having fun, and occasionally I get someone who's actually interested, or get a thank you from someone who followed my links and received a witness from God and Joined. it's more than I expect, another bonus is I learn stuff, I'm still mulling that Universal Church piece of info and it's implications for all the protestant and the Catholics out there, may I ask some questions about that? (Assuming a yes) What about the Copts, In your opinion, are they members of the universal Church?

similarly the Ethiopic churches that still use the Book of Enoch (some are copts, some are not) are they in the universal church to you? If it's not too much trouble, please explain why or why not, thanks in advance!

DU

[DelphiUser]

I'm glad you've FINALLY cleared this up!

Your editing of my posts leaves the truth on the cutting room floor, why?

[DelphiUser]

I Said: How do I know the Trinity is not of God? Simple, Go and read the Account of the event as recorded by the Catholic church, as prophesied in the Bible in Gal 1:6-10, Constantine called the conference, for his purposes, Constantine set the agenda, Constantine presided over the meeting and the meeting was not adjourned until Constantine was happy with the results. For the record, when all this happened, Constantine was a pagan sun worshiper. Once the conference was completed, Constantine let Sylvester the pope at the time know what had happened to his religion. Can anyone imagine the Catholic church allowing this to happen today? Is this the way God's truth is revealed? This specifically fulfills the prophecy in Galatians, and it was "soon" just as the Bible said it would be.

U Said: How do I know the Book of MORMON is not of God? Simple, Go and read the Account of the event as recorded by the LDS Organization, as prophesied in the Bible in 2 Corinthians 11:14-15, Joseph Smith 'translated' the plates, for his purposes, Joseph Smith set the agenda, Joseph Smith presided over the translation sessions and they were not adjourned until Joseph Smith was happy with the results. For the record, when all this happened, Joseph Smith had tried to join one of the abomiable churches in the land. Once the translating was done, Joseph Smith let the world at that time know what had happened to THEIR religion. Can anyone imagine the CHRISTIAN church allowing this to happen today? Is this the way God's truth is revealed? This specifically fulfills the prophecy in Galatians 1:7-10 and in 2 Corinthians 11:14-15, and it was just as the Bible said it would be.

You did leave out that I included a link to an authoritative source, confirming my statements about Constantine.

Your Link to an irrelevant scripture (Jesus and God are not just angels of light) does not prove that this is what that scripture was talking about. we were talking, Quester and I, about our opinions and he asked me to substantiate mine with scripture. which I did. I accept that this is your opinion, mine is somewhat different. Since my opinion has come up again, may I say, Satan did not appear to Joseph as God and Jesus, because the vision was in response to a prayer, and this vision specifically fulfilled First John 4:1-3, by testifying of Jesus Christ as the savior. IMHO your twisting of the first hand account proves that you are not exactly an impartial judge on this, instead, you appear to be wresting the scriptures to your own destruction.

U Said: (My thanks to DU for the boilerplate)

Imitation is indeed the sincerest form of flattery, so you are welcome, and Thanks!

[DelphiUser]

I Said: Hey, I was at the Story telling festival too...

U Said: Were you featured?

Sadly no, I was there with my kids, you?

[DelphiUser]

Sadly it's going to be a busy day again, but I'll leave you with a little consonance

Pugnacious posters pompously prognosticating posthumous purgatory.

Yes, it actually means something and yes, it was right off the top of my head (I have to keep something there...)

[Tennessee Nana]

Mormons are taught not to lie
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“you dont have to answer all their questions”

(etc)

That’s being taught to LIE...

[DelphiUser]

I Said: Mormons are taught not to lie

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U Said: “you dont have to answer all their questions”

(etc)

That’s being taught to LIE...

Some questions cannot be answered, Anti's as a rule love to ask "When did you stop beating your wife questions." I have actually had Anti's complain when I waxed verbose (no really!) to what they considered a yes or no question (So are you guys cultists or do you just hate Christians, which is it...)

You say all questions must be answered or you are lying.

Fine, lets see how you do with some sample questions. I will ask the questions, please answer without lying by not answering the exact question asked.

What is the marital status of the number Five?

How much is your name?

What time is your house?

Why?

Can you imagine a world with no hypothetical situations?

OK, that last one is answerable, but fun to play with, I'll tell you my answer after you respond.

It's easy to ask questions that are impossible to answer.

"Can a mortal ask questions which God finds unanswerable? Quite easily, I should think. All nonsense questions are unanswerable." -- C. S. Lewis

Contrary to popular opinion, I do not think I am God, when asked question that makes no sense (because it's from a different perspective, or the questioner assumes communication that's just not in the question) what do you do? You answer the question you think they should have asked, hoping that communication will happen, in spite of the question. It's not a lie, IMHO it's more of a lie to ask a trick question.

[Tennessee Nana]

Some questions cannot be answered
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EVERY question has an answer..

You mean “Some questions WILL NOT be answered” by the mormons because the answer will be an embarrassment...an exposure...

[Tennessee Nana]

Some questions cannot be answered
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EVERY question has an answer..

God answers EVERY time..

Call to me, and I WILL answer you, and show you great and mighty things, which you know not. Jeremiah 33:3

[Tennessee Nana]

Anti’s as a rule love to ask “When did you stop beating your wife questions.”
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I’m sure the anti-Christians AKA the mormons love to ask “When did you stop beating your wife questions.”

But as a Christian, I dont ask those types of questions..

And I notice it is always mormonms who post that statement...

Is it part of a mormon temple ritual question etc ???

[Tennessee Nana]

What is the marital status of the number Five?

How much is your name?

What time is your house?
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But I know the answer to that...

The next question is about NetFlix

Do you have shares ????

[DelphiUser]

I Said: Some questions cannot be answered

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U Said: EVERY question has an answer..

Eagerly awaiting your answers to my questions...

Oh, and CS Lewis agrees with me on this.

U Said: You mean “Some questions WILL NOT be answered” by the mormons because the answer will be an embarrassment...an exposure...

I'm sure you believe that...

I have never found the truth to be an embarrassment, I have been embarrassed by some posts by anti's.

[DelphiUser]

U Said: God answers EVERY time..

And sometimes his answer is a stupor of thought, and "you need practice thinking your questions through..."

[Tennessee Nana]

CS Lewis agrees with me on this.
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The devil, Satan, agrees with you and Joseph Smith, but I am equally unimpressed...

Until the Jesus of the The Bible agrees with you, dont waste your breathe and band width...

[Tennessee Nana]

And sometimes his answer is a stupor of thought

(And sometimes His answer is a stupor of thought)
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The reverant way to write of God is with capitals as in His..

God is not stuporfied or stumped..

He KNOWS everything..

Call unto me, and I WILL answer thee, and SHEW thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not. Jeremiah 33:3

[DelphiUser]

U Said: Anti’s as a rule love to ask “When did you stop beating your wife questions.”

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U Said: I’m sure the anti-Christians AKA the mormons love to ask “When did you stop beating your wife questions.”

Um, Mormons are Christians, not "anti Christians", your self selected Posse decoder ring is set wrong.

U Said: But as a Christian, I dont ask those types of questions..

ROTFLOL!

I'll let your posts stand as my evidence...

U Said: And I notice it is always mormonms who post that statement...

Please post the last "When did you stop beating your wife" questions posted by a Mormon on say this thread, a link will be sufficient" (please exclude my post with example questions that can't be answered.)

U Said: Is it part of a mormon temple ritual question etc ???

Asking if you beat your wife is not part of the Mormon Temple ceremony, nor is it part of the recommend questions.

(you see, I had to guess on what you were asking on that last question, so I answered what I thought you were asking... Even if I got the answer wrong, I's not a lie, I'm guessing.)

[Tennessee Nana]

I have been embarrassed by some posts by anti’s.
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Well, I havent..

The posts by the anti-Christians AKA mormnons just make me shake my head in pity..

The devil and Joseph Smith do not embarass me ..

So if Biblical scripture and knowledge upsets you, you might want to ask God about it...

And of course God WILL answer you..

Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not. Jeremiah 33:3