Posted on 03/10/2008 9:42:46 PM PDT by Salvation
All other sins fall into these categories.
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With the four threads about new Vatican pronouncements on sins, I figured we needed to get the truth.
In my opinion the media is spinning something that Pope Benedict said.
Does anyone know what it was?
BUMP!
Actually it wasn’t Pope Benedict. It was an Archbishop Girotti, and he was talking about sin, and including research on human embryos, not being a good steward of the environment, etc. Some British newspaper ran with it, creating the ‘new grave sins’ story out of whole cloth.
I figured it was something crazy. Thanks for filling me in. I see five threads on it. Unbelievable.
And most of them are of the leftist — environment focused.
Only one that I saw had abortion in it.
Tells you about the media and their bias, doesn’t it?
In my opinion the media is spinning something that Pope Benedict said.
Does anyone know what it was?
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Actually, it was something a Bishop high in the Vatican said. From what I can gather, he was trying to contexualize the seriousness of contemporary offenses such as abortion and the bioethical issues involved in human cloning.
Yes, the media have spun it in a ridiculous way.
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Good post about the 7 Deadlies — gave me pause. Thanks for the ping.
How fitting for the current headlines in the news:
St. Francis of Assisi was so filled with lustful thoughts he threw himself into a rose bush. (Perhaps we should plant more rose bushes around the Washington area. Perhaps Dolley Madison had great foresight in planting a rose garden at the White House.)
Absolutely nothing good comes from the media nowadays. With regard to sins, a Priest at our L.A. Congress said that the only unforgivable sin is to denounce the Holy Spirit.
Yes it was Girotti.
What gets me is man keeps wanting to recreate the rules.
Something NEW.
Put a new twist on what has already been laid down from the beginning of time by God and our Church upholding 2000 yrs of teachings.
Example:
Feeding tubes were not around in the past but it is exceptable as a manner of recieving nutrition.
In the Catichism it was explained that if your father was ill and could not lift a cup to his mouth for nourishment wouldn’t you lift it to his lips for him?
Cups or G tubes both sustain life in those unable to feed themselves.
Same diff. Different technology.
Thanks for filling me in. I knew something had been said.
Hang in there. I’m going to post St. Gregory and the Seven Heavenly Virtues.
Whew!
Had to go back about seven or eight pages to find it on the internet. Seems like all the Catholic sources are getting hidden. (But here I am, talking about media again!)
LOL about the rose bushes!
Could absolutely be the reason there are rose bushes at the White House!
I like your example about the feeding tubes. Yes, the old rules still apply, regardless of the new technologies. Probably what they wanted to say with this pronouncement, but it got spun out of control.
PALE GAS was in the exact order you presented it:Pride,Avarice,Lust,Envy---Gluttony,Anger and Sloth. I think about it every time I go to confession.
I seem to have overcome all the PALE but in my later years,I'm having a heck of a time getting rid of the GAS. Oh well,it gives me something to focus on.
Thanks again for another good thread and all the good work you do around here.
Explanations > Values > The Seven Deadly Sins
Sins have always been popular areas of focus in the church. An early 2nd century document, the Didache, contains a list of five. Origen produced a sevenfold list and at the end of the 4th century Cassian amended this sevenfold list. Eventually, the Seven Deadly Sins (or Vices) we know today were defined in the 6th century by Pope Gregory the Great, as a set of negative values: the values that you are supposed to adopt is that you will avoid these things and actually adopt their opposites.
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Note how many of these are very similar: envy, gluttony, lust and greed are all about desire. There is also a hidden lack of concern for others in at least envy and anger.
As with other religious rule-sets, these pretty much hit the nail on the head in terms of a system for social harmonization or social control (depending on your viewpoint). Few people will openly admit to any of them (which attests to the success in the inculcation of these as anti-values in the Christian world).
The number seven, by the way, is not only a cabbalistic magical number, it also just happens to be the size of our short-term memory, which is a real limit to the number of things we can hold in mind at one time.
Do not demonstrate these values yourself. Suggest that the other person is succumbing to one or more of these values and they will likely head in the opposite direction.
Another approach is to play the Devil and encourage the other person to give in to these natural tendencies.
You can then either use this 'rule-breaking' as evidence that they can do things they previously would not consider. You can even use it then as a guilt lever, maybe even as a form of blackmail (this is far more common than may be supposed).
Bravo, Pope Gregory the Great!
Caput does not mean head in Latin. It doesn’t mean anything. Perhaps the author means capitus?
ROFL!!!!
Dolly Madison: Prophetess of Presidential Depravity.
Thus capit-al, of or pertaining to the head.
Source: 7th grade Latin class, Eastwoods School, Oyster Bay, Long Island, New York, 1959
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