Remarkably, even after having been killed off by the Catholics, they were still able to build very nice churches (this one is in Charleston, SC). :-0
Posted on 12/09/2007 7:37:46 AM PST by Ottofire
They warn't baptized.
Dunno. The French Calvinists were killed off by the Catholic Church.
Remarkably, even after having been killed off by the Catholics, they were still able to build very nice churches (this one is in Charleston, SC). :-0
Rosseau was a Calvinist, at least in the beginning.
You’ll need to ask Pyro since it was his question.
I believe he is trying to make some connection regarding the Reformation and Enlightment philosophy and secularism.
So far all we have is an assertion.
Well, St. Stephen immediately comes to mind.
Rosseau was a Calvinist, at least in the beginning.
If he wasn’t a Calvinist in the end he was a CINO.
The intent counts only if one is sincere about being baptized but dies before being baptized.
If baptism is not necessary for salvation, then why did Christ say to Nicodemus,
“Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit” (John 3:5)? Why did he baptize others (John 3:26)? Why were his final words to the Apostles before he ascended into heaven that they were to baptize all nations (Mt. 28: 19)?
Baptism is proof of one’s submission to Christ. But, more importantly, it confers God’s supernatural life (grace) on the individual, forgives sins, including original sin, and makes one a member of Christ’s mystical body (the Church). While professing a belief in Christ is good, it is not sufficient for salvation except in a situation where one is facing death, such as the one that the good thief was in.
The Catholic Church teaches that after His death, Jesus descended into hell to free the souls of the righteous who were imprisoned there. (Catechism of the Catholic Church, n. 632-635)
Maybe in your denomination but but not in the bible.
"The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation. He also commands his disciples to proclaim the Gospel to all nations and to baptize them. Baptism is necessary for salvation to those to whom the Gospel has been proclaimed and who have had the possibility of asking for this sacrament. The church does not know of any means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude; this is why she takes care not to neglect the mission she has received from the Lord to see that all who can be baptized are 'reborn of water and the Spirit.' God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but he himself is not bound by his sacraments." Catechism of the Catholic Church, n. 1257.
In other words, because Christ is God, he could dispense someone, in this case the good thief, from having to be baptized. However, those of us who exist in time after the coming of Christ, and who have heard the Gospel and who have the possibility of asking for baptism, must be baptized in order to be saved.
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What about the following?:
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.”
This does not indicate Babtism as a neccesity for eternal life.
Were any of them baptized?
You made that up...Except for the first sentence...
You don't become a Christian by getting wet...That is ludicrous...You become a Christian by coming to Jesus...You get filled with the Spirit by coming to Jesus...You get 'wet' to make a public testament of your turn to Jesus...
How do you guys get it so backwards...
Here's a piece from one of the Catholic caucus threads today...
Furthermore, in accordance with the teaching of the Council of Trent on the sacraments, Baptism is not just a sign of faith but also a cause of faith.29 It produces in the baptized "interior enlightenment," and so the Byzantine liturgy is right to call it the sacrament of enlightenment, or simply enlightenment, meaning that the faith received pervades the soul and causes the veil of blindness to fall before the brightness of Christ.
This is the most outrageous thing I've ever heard...Some guys with flashy robes and funny hats tell you this stuff AND YOU SOMEHOW BELIEVE IT...I'm still waiting for the punch line...
>The intent counts only if one is sincere about being baptized but dies before being baptized.
So in all reality, the intent is necessary. Not the actual baptism, or intent would mean nothing. Therefore the intent to follow the will of Jesus, true submission to His will is the crux, not the cleansing of dirt from the flesh.
Much like Abraham’s intention to sacrifice of his only begotten son, Isaac, was what justified him, not the actual act. And you can notice that it is only that one act, not a continual series of acts, which justified him (Romans 4).
No, intent is not sufficient in cases when the person has the opportunity to be baptized but does not avail himself of that opportunity. Baptism is the ordinary way of being “born again.”
Of course, one must continue to follow the will of Christ and not just intend to follow the will of Christ after being baptized if he wants to remain in a state of grace. Those who are baptized can fall into a state of sin and separate themselves from God if they do not follow Christ’s teachings.
If baptism is not necessary for salvation, then why did Christ say that one must be born again of water and the Spirit in order to be saved? (Jn. 3:5) Why did he command his apostles to baptize all nations? (Mt. 28:19-20)
It is not I who says that one must be baptized by water and the Holy Spirit but Christ. But I guess His word isn’t good enough for you.
Born again just seems strange to me. I think if you can’t get it right the first time than something is wrong. I am greatful that my parents raised me Catholic. We get it right at Baptism right away at six weeks old.
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