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Posted on 09/15/2007 11:47:41 AM PDT by restornu
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Our Lord and Savior may indeed be a messenger, but not to be confused as a created angel.
You forget that Moses did see God face to face and even return with a red face and covered his face
You say no man has seen God and that is true but God can elevate a man from his mortal status to a transfiguration for a period of time.
He has been pre-existant and cocreator as the second person of the Trinity, still one God.
Our ONE in mind, not a "3 in one oil" as you Trinity folks try to peddle. I been over this many times yet none of you really read and ponder the words.
God the Father has body parts, His only begotten Son in Flesh and Blood has a resurrected body now of flesh and bone eternal body have no need of blood it is a temporal things to live in he Kingdom of earth.
You have the Holy Ghost that is spirit no body parts all three are one in mind!
There may be lessor gods, but Christ, since the incarnation is also human and seated to the right hand of the Father.
I don't understand your description here?
There is one unique Son of God which He has given, who is also one with the Father. There are many sons of god, but only one which is the great “I am”.
When people seek access to God the Father by any other, then they are antichrist.
Jesus Christ has come as God incarnate, one with Him, not to be confused as a created being.
But don’t take my word for it, take His without reading anything into it.
Joh 10:24-42
(24) Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
(25) Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father’s name,they bear witness of me.
(26) But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
(27) My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
(28) And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
(29) My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.
(30) I and my Father are one.
(31) Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
(32) Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
(33) The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
(34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, said, Ye are gods
(35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the Scripture cannot be broken;
(36) Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
(37) If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
(38) But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
(39) Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,
(40) And went away again beyond Jordan into the place where John at first baptized; and there he abode.
(41) And many resorted unto him, and said, John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this man were true.
(42) And many believed on him there.
When people seek access to God the Father by any other, then they are antichrist.
You lost me here what people, what other means and what antichrist?
Why is this even in this coversation?
Jesus Christ has come as God incarnate, one with Him, not to be confused as a created being.
Jesus always was eternal and also is the spirit of man endless.
Adam and Eve enter earth through the Garden of Eden, Adam progenitors were born into the world through earthly parnents.
Jesus was born into the earth of parents One being the heavenly Father and the other an earthly Mother.
Even though spirits are eternal all earth bodies are formed. man is a child of God but not a divine Child as Jesus.
There are many places in Scripture where man has seen the image of God in the Son, God incarnate.
Even the Jewish Targums had a firmer grasp on this that the Mormons, understanding the Shekinah Glory and the Burning Bush as Theophanies associated with the Memra(WORD) of the Lord.
"Jer. 1:
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."
To which verse restornu applies the Mormon pretext: "Here we have pre mortal existence of the Spirit of the Prophet Jeremiah!" It never occurs to such an one that God's perspective being greater than the present time can actually see Jeremiah's entire exitence in the body and beyond even before it begins to manifest in spacetime, so the poster assumes the verse out of context affirms a heresy asserted by Joseph Smith.
I wish you well in seeking 'to set the record straight', but it has been my experience these past several months that pretext is the only reason Mormons use the Bible, to establish the efficacy of their false prophet's Book of Mormon and the sundry assertions and fabricated 'scriptures' Mormonism depneds upon.
There you go again, slipping in the pagan notion of Continuity of Being. Man is an image of God in both body and spirit. God the Father does not have a body, for the body is prepared for the Son by the Father.
Heb 10:5
(5) Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Through his body, man rules nature.
“The spirit was created for God’s sake, the body for
the spirit’s sake, and the world for the body’s sake;
so that the spirit might be subject to God, the body to
the spirit, and the world to the body.”[Victor St Hugo]
Man’s dominion is only fulfilled by the Incarnation of Christ.
1Co 15:22-28
(22) For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
(23) But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
(24) Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
(25) For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
(26) The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
(27) For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
(28) And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Heb 2:5-9
(5) For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
(6) But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?
(7) Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honor, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
(8) Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
(9) But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Now with regards to the confused understanding being promoted regarding the lineage of Adam and Eve. They were not born of parents, all humans are made from Adam’s single body. The entire race of humans are made to be redeemable by one man and Savior who can die for the many. Such a racial species is discernible from all other creatures such as angels, animals and other pagan constructs.
The parents of our Lord and Savior, Christ Jesus, were Mary and God, the Holy Ghost. Mary as a woman was unable to pass the genetic old sin nature to the Son, not because she lacked an old sin nature, but because the old sin nature is passed from the genetics of man to the offspring. God the Father created and imputed human life upon the human soul of Christ Jesus at birth. Since our Lord and Savior had no old sin nature, there was nothing to impute original sin into or any affinity for sin, therefore he was the only second Adam to be born with a human body, soul, and spirit. The chromosomes for Christ were provided by God the Holy Ghost and Mary to provide the virgin birth.
This humanity did not preexist, but the Son, the Word pre-existed. Accordingly, Jesus Christ bypassed the angelic creation and was incarnated as human, the second Adam.
I find no need to set the record straight, because God Himself already provides the straight righteous method for us all to come to Him, through faith in Christ.
Where some may seek to persuade, I joy in simply worshiping Him through faith in Christ.
In regards to 1stJn 4:9, the term “only begotten Son” is an interesting phrase from the original word “monogenes”.
Whereas some assume this refers to his biologic son, this is not consistent with the rest of Scripture. For example, consider Hebrews 11:17, where the same word, monogenes , is used.
Heb 11:17
(17) By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his (monogenes) son,
It might be noted that Abraham also had Issac, so we know the word isn’t used to mean an only begotten son, but perhaps better translated as a ‘unique’ or only unique son.
I know of covenants described in the Bible, but YOUR Temple Covenants are NOT described in your scriptures.
How can you be sure that you folks are not following some idea thought up by some of your misguided leaders from the past?
I expect many great and important things to be revealed that are not already written in the standard works.
So it's entirely possible, that some lad of today, searching for truth in the world, will be led by some Personage(s) to find some titanium plates in a sand dune in New Mexico and to be told that all the LDS wards are in apostacy and he will be the One to lead the confused into a Total & Complete Gospel.
I, the Great Elsie, have confused new folks of my gender by my screen name.
Go figger.
Good, keep’m guessing.
Guess the gender of these Utah names!!! Aaro
Abrel
Aceal
Acel
Admanzah
Afnan
Alanadel
Alema Alme
Alverice
AmasaAmen
Aasta
Abcde
Acacia
Acia DanaiAdelvade
Adi
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STILL not enough??
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Be invited to backyard cookouts or camp with the Scouts...
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--MormonDude(Triumphant again!!)
Yeah... sure...
...if he were to read and study the standard works he would fine a lot of what is said in the Temple is NOT written down in scripture.
Yes. As you know; it's not translated into todays language. Many words are archaic, to say the least.
I see nothing in your highlighted version that explains what & where the stick of Joseph is definitively.
Someone on this thread has posted verses that say something about those who cannot see....
I said nothing. I highlighted the explanation.
(Kinda like what Christ had to do after He asked His disciples, "Are you still so dull?" and then explained the parable to them.)
MT 15:15
Has your student learned to carry a tune yet?
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