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To: restornu

There is one unique Son of God which He has given, who is also one with the Father. There are many sons of god, but only one which is the great “I am”.

When people seek access to God the Father by any other, then they are antichrist.

Jesus Christ has come as God incarnate, one with Him, not to be confused as a created being.

But don’t take my word for it, take His without reading anything into it.

Joh 10:24-42
(24) Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
(25) Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father’s name,they bear witness of me.
(26) But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
(27) My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
(28) And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
(29) My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand.
(30) I and my Father are one.
(31) Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
(32) Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
(33) The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
(34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, said, Ye are gods
(35) If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the Scripture cannot be broken;
(36) Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
(37) If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
(38) But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
(39) Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,
(40) And went away again beyond Jordan into the place where John at first baptized; and there he abode.
(41) And many resorted unto him, and said, John did no miracle: but all things that John spake of this man were true.
(42) And many believed on him there.


242 posted on 09/18/2007 8:25:06 AM PDT by Cvengr (The violence of evil is met with the violence of righteousness, justice, love and grace.)
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To: Cvengr
There is one unique Son of God which He has given, who is also one with the Father. There are many sons of god, but only one which is the great “I am”.

When people seek access to God the Father by any other, then they are antichrist.

You lost me here what people, what other means and what antichrist?

Why is this even in this coversation?

Jesus Christ has come as God incarnate, one with Him, not to be confused as a created being.

Jesus always was eternal and also is the spirit of man endless.

Adam and Eve enter earth through the Garden of Eden, Adam progenitors were born into the world through earthly parnents.

Jesus was born into the earth of parents One being the heavenly Father and the other an earthly Mother.

Even though spirits are eternal all earth bodies are formed. man is a child of God but not a divine Child as Jesus.

243 posted on 09/18/2007 8:57:18 AM PDT by restornu (No one is perfect but you can always strive to be honest in all of your dealings!)
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To: Cvengr; Elsie
You are dealing with closed minds, by their own choice closed. Here is a prime example of how Mormonism starts with a premise offered by Joe Smith, then they seek verses out of context by which they may establish false pretext:

"Jer. 1:
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."
To which verse restornu applies the Mormon pretext: "Here we have pre mortal existence of the Spirit of the Prophet Jeremiah!" It never occurs to such an one that God's perspective being greater than the present time can actually see Jeremiah's entire exitence in the body and beyond even before it begins to manifest in spacetime, so the poster assumes the verse out of context affirms a heresy asserted by Joseph Smith.

I wish you well in seeking 'to set the record straight', but it has been my experience these past several months that pretext is the only reason Mormons use the Bible, to establish the efficacy of their false prophet's Book of Mormon and the sundry assertions and fabricated 'scriptures' Mormonism depneds upon.

245 posted on 09/18/2007 9:27:49 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support. Defend life support for others in the womb.)
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To: Cvengr

Has your student learned to carry a tune yet?


260 posted on 09/18/2007 11:35:00 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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