Posted on 05/25/2007 5:19:25 PM PDT by Titanites
Trying to make things "personal"?
I realized it could be taken that way when I hit the post button. Guess I should have phrased it differently. I just thought they way he messed up the words was funny.
**I will keep this thread in mind whenever another thread is accused of “bashing Catholics”.**
I almost hate to say this. This thread is not the first thread in which Catholic bashing appears, and unfortunately, it will not be the last one. It’s almost as though, it’s OK to make fun of Catholics and belittle their beliefs.
But, then, that is almost funny, because most Protestant churches have gone back to the Catholic Church to get their beliefs. So, go figure?
Please, point out all of the "Catholic bashing" in this thread.
Do yourself a favor & don’t use Christopher Cuddy as an authority on Calvinist teachings.
Many thanks for this list...
I wouldn’t say there was any Catholic bashing here. LiteKeeper and Alex Murphy are just keeping us on our toes. There is disagreement and then there is Catholic bashing. IMHO, LK and AM don’t fall into that group (Catholic bashing).
Guess Alex isn’t quite as anathemized as he would like.
Actually, most Protestants I have known do NOT think the Pope is the anti-Christ and the Church the “whore of Babylon.”
As a convert to Catholicism, I have many years behind me full of Protestant Bible study, and truth be told, not once was the Catholic Church discussed in anything but a respectful manner.
Sometimes Catholics have misconceptions about Protestants, just like sometimes Protestants misunderstand Catholics.
You have made a broad and sweeping generalization about all Protestants that doesn’t appear to be logical. While in the past many did believe that of what you claim, and some may still do, it’s a major stretch to argue that we all think that way.
I have been impressed with the quality of the posts of many of your fellow Catholics and what seems to me to be a genuine individual and collective Christian witness. They set a good example for you to follow.
Where is that quote from GKC? The Catholic Thing?
Precisely. Most of the students and faculty at said Evangelical Protestant college wold pick Calvin over Luther if they had to, but they recognize that Luther's contribution to the Reformation.
Where do you get these ideas? From a few Internet sites? There are always folks who will say such things, but do you honestly believe ALL Protestants go around calling the Pope the Antichrist? Expressing a disagreement with Catholic theology is not the same as calling Catholics members of the "whore of Babylon."
Have to wonder what this fella had been reading all that time...Apparently his Theology and Philosophy classes didn't include a bible...
The usual comment on the thread I see. I think it is pretty safe to say that this individual is familiar with Sacred Scripture.
While perhaps it is a stretch to say most Protestants believe the Pope is the antiChrist and the Church the Whore of babylon, there are some who do (a vocal small minority).
However, that comment along I do not think discount what he has to say. Have you ever read Scott Hahn? He uses scripture a great deal, perhaps not in the interpretation you would prefer, but scripture is the focus of his writings.
I've read little bits and pieces of his work...I've also read that he continues to use some of your church documents as authorative which were proven years ago to be some of the documented forgeries of your church history...
As I see it, many, if not most of the Reformed churches are 'throwbacks' of the Catholic church...They don't like everything you guys teach but they never really cut the umbilical cord connected to your church...
I believe that's where Scott Hahn came from...He always was a Catholic...I'm not from that bunch...
WOW. I know you didn’t have a positive view of Catholicism, but I didn’t realize you didn’t view even many of the Reformed Churches favorably either.
What documents which were forgeries does he use? I’ll admit I don’t recall too many Church documents from his books, but I’ll readily admit I haven’t read all of them. I like Scott Hahn, but I have some criticisms.
Which Reformed Churches aren’t throwbacks? Or is it not really a cut and dry course iyho.
-The theology classes that Chris would have taken as a college freshman were quite Scriptural (and also quite Calvinist). I suspect the philosophy classes were as well. I know this because I took several of them (the ones that made up the required humanities core).
-Having met and spoken to both Chris and Dr. Hahn personally, there was a time in both of their lives that the last thing they would have wanted to have been labeled is "Catholic." As a matter of fact, Dr. Hahn quite freely admits that in his youth and college days, he was very anti-Catholic. If you have never done so, you should read Rome Sweet Home to get his own take on it.
I've also read that he continues to use some of your church documents as authorative which were proven years ago to be some of the documented forgeries of your church history.
Examples? Otherwise it's hearsay. Besides that, it doesn't detract from the fact that he does use Scripture a great deal.
Sure it does...Especially since scripture takes a back seat when it comes to the historical writings of your magisterium and your church fathers...
The theology classes that Chris would have taken as a college freshman were quite Scriptural (and also quite Calvinist). I suspect the philosophy classes were as well. I know this because I took several of them (the ones that made up the required humanities core).
And the Theology classes you took, did they not teach you from the bible that, " Salvation meant being made a son of God."
It's all over the bible...Why would a student of Christianity not know that???
Don't know...
I have an aunt, about 83 years old...Been Episcopalian since I can remember...Her oldest son, recently passed, was a farmer without a college education, was also a lifelong member...
Her younger son, now around 50 grew up in the same church...Went to college, switched between different Reformed religions...
The aunt and eldest son were/are conservative Christians...Believe the scripture from cover to cover...As good a Christians as Christians are able to be...
The educated son, who studied religion and philosophy in college has an entirely different approach to Christianity...Especially the bible...I guess he got educated out of it...Doesn't like to talk of heaven and hell...Has no personal salvation testimony...
I said that to say this: I can't say that all Reformed churches or their individual assemblies are tied to the Catholic church...It does seem that regardless of that affilitation, liberalness and and lack of respect of (and spiritual knowledge in) the scriptures is more than evident in my little acre of the world...
I'm reminded of that verse in Amos:
Amo 8:12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.
Everyone's looking for the word of God...But they don't look where it is...The Holy Scripture...
Hmm, I don’t know if I would have considered Episcopalians reformed. Reformed to me is the Calvinist Predestination guided denominations.
Just trying to figure you out, that’s all. Figured its a better way and technique then being combative. LOL.
I await your response. God bless.
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