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From Operation Rescue to Operation Convert [Randall Terry now Catholic]
National Catholic registar ^ | 5/17/06 | TIM DRAKE

Posted on 05/17/2006 9:08:53 PM PDT by Full Court

font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="4" color="#990000">From Operation Rescue to Operation Convert


May 21-27, 2006
by TIM DRAKE
 

Also in the Register:

Randal Terry, CatholicRandall Terry has become Catholic.
Between 1987 and 1994, Randall Terry led Operation Rescue, the country’s largest peaceful civil disobedience movement. He now serves as president of the Society for Truth and Justice, and is running for a Florida Senate seat. One of the leading evangelical pro-life leaders in the country, Terry quietly entered the Catholic Church on Holy Thursday with his wife Andrea and three sons. Register senior writer Tim Drake spoke with Terry about his conversion at his home in Florida.

 Where are you from originally?
I grew up in upstate New York, in West Henrietta. We grew up in the country.

 Tell me about your family.
I was conceived out of wedlock in 1958. Within three months my parents were married, and I was born six months later. I’ve always had an affinity with babies born out of wedlock who are in danger of perishing. Had Roe v. Wade been the law of the land in 1958, I might not have been here, although I’m certain that my mother would have chosen life.
I have one brother who is four years younger. My parents were both career school teachers.

 What was your faith background?
I was baptized in the United Church of Christ in New York, but grew up in a nominal Christian home. We were barely Christmas and Easter Christians. From the time I was a little boy until I was 17, I was anything but devout. At times, I was a verifiable agnostic.

 How did you come to know Christ?
As a teenager, I had lived a life immersed in the rock ’n’ roll culture, away from the paths of God, but I had a real yearning in my heart to know ultimate truth and ultimate reality. That set my heart seeking after God in prayer and reading Scriptures and talking to people who were devout in their faith. On Sept. 6, 1976, I made an evangelical commitment to Christ as a 17-year-old.
In conjunction with my teenage rebellion, I was seeking to know if God existed, if heaven and hell and demons and angels existed. My prayer, journey, discussions and reading brought me to the point where I asked Christ to come into my life and be my Lord and savior. That brought an immediate change in my lifestyle, my speech, my relationships and my church attendance. I went from rarely going to church to going three times a week. I began to evangelize all of my former rock ’n’ roll buddies, many of whom became devout Christians. Some of them went into ministry as missionaries and pastors. Once I was convinced that Jesus was the Son of God and that he suffered and died for us, I was thrilled with the Good News and wanted to tell everyone that I knew — family, friends and foes.
It defined my life from that moment on. Two years later I enrolled in a Bible College in New York.

 How did you first get started in pro-life work?
While at a prayer meeting in the fall of 1983, a woman came into the meeting weeping. She said she had just seen a special on Christian television on abortion. She said, “We’ve got to pray that God ends this killing.”
Whenever I thought about abortion, I got a sick feeling in my stomach, yet my evangelical sociology did not allow me to be in the political and social battles of the day. I had very little historical and theological framework from which one could launch and sustain a socio-political movement.
I would think about abortion and pray, “Oh, God, please do something,” but wouldn’t know what to do.
Eventually, on May 1, 1984, I took a position in front of a Binghamton, N.Y., abortion business. I had no literature. I just stood there committed to talking to women who were entering, to beg for the life of their babies. From that grew Project Life — a crisis pregnancy center, and Operation Rescue.

 What led to the founding of Operation Rescue?
I met John Ryan, who was doing sit-ins in St. Louis, and my heart was stirred to participate in direct action. While sitting in jail in 1986, I had another epiphany about how to recruit masses of people. We recruited tens of thousands of people. Between 1987 and 1994, 75,000 arrests were made. That is 10 times the size of the arrests made during the years of protest for civil rights.

 How many times were you arrested?
More than 40 times, always for peaceful protest, like praying in front of an abortion business.

 When did you first take an interest in the Catholic Church?
It was during my work in Operation Rescue that I first became interested in the Roman Catholic Church. My training and experience were in evangelical Christianity with an evangelical framework theologically, but the Roman Catholic communion had a much better sociology and better stability, coupled with a phenomenal theology of suffering.
I would look at my evangelical friends, who would come and go from the pro-life movement. They would proclaim undying devotion for pro-life activism and then later disappear. Then I would look at my Roman Catholic friends who would never swerve. That had a tremendous magnetism for me.
I also found myself defending Catholics against ignorance and bigotry, and defending evangelicals against ignorance and bigotry.
What took me so long was that I was a cultural Protestant, trained in Protestant theology. I had to look at the parts of my training that were inaccurate or deficient. For the past six years, I have been in the Charismatic Episcopal Church. My conversion began with my friendships with clergy in this Church. They told me that the farther you go in Reformation theology, the more you end up in Catholicism and liturgy.

 Which theological hurdles were the most difficult for you to jump?
They boiled down to papal infallibility, Marian dogma, and purgatory. For years I have craved to be in the Catholic Church, but couldn’t figure a way to get around these hurdles. They became resolved this Lent.
On Ash Wednesday, I started a 40-day fast. I have been in conversation with a priest, Father John Mikalajunas, in Binghamton for over 20 years. To my amazement, during Lent, I sensed that it was the plan of the Holy Spirit to bring us into the Catholic Church. After some further conversations with Father Mikalajunas as well as with other evangelicals who had come into the Church, those theological issues evaporated. Once I realized the Truth, I had to go in. I couldn’t wait.

 I understand that you are awaiting word on the annulment of your first marriage. Can you tell me why you chose to be received into the Church (without being able to receive the Eucharist), before the resolution of your annulment?
This has been a journey for 18 years. I knew when I came in that I would have to deal with my annulment. I couldn’t bear not being in Rome any longer. So, I decided I would rather come in and wait to receive the Eucharist, rather than not be in the Church. I felt that I needed to come in, and that it was something I needed to do during Lent. Thus far it has been wonderful — I’m glad I didn’t wait.

 Tell me how your reception into the Church came about.
In my conversations with Father Mikalajunas, he would tell me that I belonged in Rome, and I would jokingly tell him that he would make a great Baptist preacher. I knew I was being pulled into Rome. At the beginning of Lent, he told me something that made a lightbulb go on. He said that he would receive me into the Church. He knew what I knew — he knew that I knew the dogmas of the Church. He was offering to receive us in the event that I could say, “Yes, I believe.”
I thought, “Oh my goodness,” and felt like the Holy Spirit was showing us a plan for our lives. Father Mikalajunas concurred.
Over Holy Thursday we were received and confirmed at St. John the Evangelist Catholic Church in Binghamton. Father Mikalajunas brought in two witnesses.
When I was confirmed, I had this overwhelming sense that I had just walked into a cathedral that was packed with people — namely, the heroes and martyrs and saints who had gone before us. I felt they were rejoicing and calling us on in our journey. I felt as if I was with these people.
There was a tremendous sense of joy realizing that it was the end of my ongoing struggles.

 What was your greatest fear?
That I would wake up and say there was no change in me. That has not been the case. Being in the Church has brought a wonderful sense of belonging. I am part of 2,000 years of Christian history that is glorious, that has warts, and heroes and villains, but that is nonetheless the Church founded by Jesus upon Peter.

 How do you expect your evangelical colleagues will react to news of your conversion?
My journey is so personal, and yet so public. An important part of my journey is that as a pro-life leader I have had the honor of leading tens of thousands of evangelicals and Catholics in pro-life activism. I pray that I am able to continue that leadership in both communities. We have a unity of purpose. We unite around the Apostles’ Creed and our common love of life and justice.
My mission as a man is to unite as many in the Christian community as possible to stand for the Christian ethic of life and justice as defined by our historical and common Christian faith.

 Do you anticipate that your conversion could hurt you in your Senate race in a predominantly Protestant state?
I hope it won’t. I believe that the unity of purpose that has helped me as an evangelical to work with Catholics will help me as a Catholic to work with evangelicals. My wife says that I am bilingual — I can speak both languages. What I would bring to the table as a state senator is standing up for the underdog for justice and freedom. Whether you’re Baptist or Episcopalian or Catholic, you can appreciate that.
We see that kind of working together in the example of a Presbyterian president [Ronald Reagan] working with a Polish priest [Pope John Paul II] to free Poland from communism. I am convinced that the two can work together in our common missions. If we don’t work together, we cannot win.

 



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Operation Rescue founder Randall Terry — who entered the Catholic Church on Holy Thursday — describes his library as his “sanctuary.”

It’s all that and something more. Not only is it a space where Terry can retreat from the noise of his three, soon to be four, rambunctious young boys, but it’s also where he spends time in prayer and strategizing his run for the Senate in Florida’s Eighth District. While it has been several years since his direct pro-life action work, his library décor demonstrates that he’s still out to slay dragons.

Unlike the knights of old, he doesn’t reside in a medieval castle. But his two-story stucco beach home tucked in a gated community just two blocks off Florida’s First Coast is as close as you can get.

The focal point of Terry’s library is a crucifix surrounded by various icons. There’s one of St. George slaying a dragon. There’s another of St. Demetrius. Terry also has statues of St. Michael, and a Scottish warrior.
The Book of Common Prayer, which used to stand upright like the St. Joseph Daily Missal on the opposite side, has fallen down on its back.

“It’s probably fallen down because of my conversion,” Terry, 46, said with a laugh.

The steps of Terry’s journey can be traced as one walks the hallway leading to the library.

Frames reveal key points in Terry’s life.

In one framed newspaper article, Roe v. Wade’s Norma McCorvey hugs Terry during his first run for political office — a failed attempt to run for the House of Representatives in New York. In another article, written after his move to Florida, Terry stands reflectively looking out at the Atlantic Ocean, pondering his next move.

That move, joining the Catholic Church, came unexpectedly this Lent after what Terry describes as a 20-year search for Truth. That journey is evident from the mementos and books found in the home. A copy of Ott’s Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma sits on the bathroom counter. Luther, Aquinas, Chesterton, Belloc and the early Church Fathers line the bookshelves. A photograph of Terry with Pope John Paul II sits in the home’s entryway, as well as in his library.

Terry is as surprised as anyone by where his journey has led.

Pro-Life Activism
 Terry is best known for his years spent in pro-life activism. Following a prayer meeting where a woman brought up the issue of abortion and through the example of others engaged in peaceful protest, Terry founded Operation Rescue — a group that nonviolently blocked abortion clinic entrances until police physically removed them. Terry was first arrested with the movement in 1986.

While in prison, Terry met Father John Mikalajunas, a prison chaplain working in the Diocese of Syracuse.

“I would come in once a week for those who were incarcerated,” said Father Mikalajunas. “Although Randall wasn’t Catholic, when I had Mass, he would be present.”

That was the start of a 20-year relationship which would ultimately bring Terry into the fullness of the Christian faith.

After that, the two kept in contact through pro-life work, conferences, and luncheons.

“He was always very Catholic, but he kept fighting it,” said Father Mikalajunas.

Terry was arrested more than 40 times for his protests at abortion businesses.

In 1998, after a string of 27 lawsuits by organizations such as the National Organization for Women, the ACLU and Planned Parenthood, Terry filed bankruptcy and lost his home. In 1991, he closed Operation Rescue.
“I was traveling too much,” he said. “It was hard on my children. I was burning out.”

Yet, his work has left its mark. Among others, Priests for Life founder Father Frank Pavone, former abortionist Bernard Nathanson, and Norma McCorvey all have spoken positively of Operation Rescue’s impact on their own pro-life commitment.

Terry said it’s only a matter of time before the “dragon” of legal abortion on demand is slain.

“I am convinced that in my lifetime we will see the full protection of law restored to unborn babies and pregnant mothers,” Terry said. “I am certain we will dance on the grave of Roe v. Wade.”

What He Couldn’t Rescue
 For all his success on the activism front, his travels, prison sentences, and multiple lawsuits took their toll on his three children and his first marriage, which he described as doomed from the start. After 19 years, he and his first wife were divorced.

“There were tragic problems that were inherent to the marriage,” said Terry. “According to Catholic doctrine as it has been taught to me, those problems made it an invalid sacrament.”

He still grieves the divorce.

“I recognize that decisions that I made in my 20s and 30s have lifelong implications,” Terry said. “Most of my regrets revolve around leadership decisions and personal life choices.”

In addition to his marriage, Terry was unable to salvage his New York home, his pro-life organization, his radio station — six pieces of real estate in all. Terry sold his home and property, and the equity from the home went to pay lawyers’ fees.

“I owned the name Operation Rescue,” says Terry. “This was by design. The lawsuits hit me personally rather than an entire board of people. It was a very bitter loss to me personally, but it protected other people from losing everything as well. If I had to do it all over again, I would. The lives of these children were worth the loss. It’s the cost of war.”

At the time Terry filed bankruptcy in 1998, there were 27 active lawsuits against him. Most of the suits were based upon the concept that Operation Rescue had hurt the abortionist’s business. Some dealt with interstate commerce. Some were related to a civil lawsuit stemming from trespassing. Others dealt with the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO).

The Supreme Court later ruled that the NOW lawsuit was improper and that RICO did not apply.

Terry describes his current home as “The Alan Keyes home,” in homage to a fundraising letter signed by Keyes that resulted in enough money to purchase a new home. Keyes asked supporters to make financial donations to the Terry Family Foundation to “restore what the enemy took.”

A New Life
 Randall first met Andrea Kollmorgen, who became his second wife, while working on his first political campaign in 1998. They were later reunited at a religious convocation and married.

Prior to the divorce, Terry had begun searching and asking questions of Father Mikalajunas and others about the Catholic faith.

“Terry was at a Mass I had held at St. Joseph’s Catholic Church on the Feast of the Assumption,” said Father Mikalajunas. “At that particular Mass, I received a Baptist person into the Church.”

Terry and Andrea had independently joined the Charismatic Episcopal Church, a liturgical denomination not in union with Rome.

“I would challenge him, but he was anti-papal,” says Father Mikalajunas. “I would tell him, you are going to other churches to be liturgically Catholic, instead of coming home where you belong.”

“We didn’t stand much of a chance [of not becoming Catholic], with Pope John Paul II and Terri Schiavo praying for us,” said Randall’s wife Andrea, pointing to the photograph of Randall meeting the Pope.

Modern Dragons


 Terry now has his eyes set on new issues.

“The abortion movement, the homosexual ‘marriage’ movement or the militant Muslims who are murdering Christians, don’t care if we have seven sacraments or two. They don’t care whether we have priests or preachers or if we are in communion with Rome or Constantinople,” says Terry. “They despise us equally.”

Terry has tried to share the suffering inherent in the abortion issue by being jailed.

But he’s also taken on the sacrifice of raising two adopted and one foster child.

Some of his critics took delight in the spectacle when one of those adopted children, Jamiel, announced in 2004 that he was homosexual. Belief.net interviewed father and son for articles on the subject.

“There are three options when you find out a family member is homosexual,” Randall Terry is quoted saying. “One is accept them and their lifestyle as if it’s normal. Two is to reject them and sever your relationship. Three is to love them unconditionally, but to tell them you do not accept their behavior as normal, and to tell them the truth. If I love my son, I can’t say to him, ‘Hey, you’re committing suicide on the installment plan. This is a great lifestyle.’”

Instead, said the interviews, he reaches out to his son by phone and in letters, telling him that he loves him. But Randall has limited in-person contact with his son while he is living in the lifestyle.

Jamiel told Belief.net that Randall was, “A phenomenal father. I could not have asked for a better father. He was my best friend. I know that my dad, even in that letter, he’s doing it out of love. He’s doing it because he feels that that’s what he has to do to ‘save me.’ So I don’t even hate him for that but it just hurts me.”

Jamiel was legally adopted at age 14, but lived with the Terrys from the time he was eight.

Randall said it was hard to decide how to treat his son’s homosexuality once he passed the stage of struggle and publicly celebrated it.

“I have to be honest with him,” said Randall. “Would you tell a drug addict, ‘I accept you. This is your choice, this is your life and I will stand by you’? The average death age of a male homosexual is 42 years old because of disease, because of suicide, because of alcoholism, because of drugs, because of violence. It’s just not a good world. It’s a self-abusive, self-destructive sexual addiction.”

After a two-year study of Islam, many of Terry’s recent writings have focused on Islamist extremism.

“If we are going to understand the Islamic mind, we must study the life of Mohammed,” he said. “‘What would Mohammed do?’ needs to be the grid through which we view Islamic culture, law and acts of terrorism.”

Terry is currently working on a book with this title.

“For example, Muslims who attack or threaten death to those who mock Mohammed are following in the footsteps of Mohammed himself,” he said.

In addition, Terry serves as president of the Society of Truth and Justice, an organization dedicated to “proclaiming Christian principles in matters of public policy.” In this role, Terry became the chief media strategist for Bob and Mary Schindler, the parents of Terri Schiavo.

As a child, Terry dreamed of attending Juilliard and becoming a musician. While he never realized the first portion of that dream, in recent years he has realized the second. During a year in Nashville, Terry worked with professional musicians to produce two high-quality music CDs. Reviewers say his voice is reminiscent of contemporary Christian musician Michael W. Smith.

Now that he’s Catholic, he looks forward to completing some unfinished business — namely completing music for a Mass and finishing a book about early Christianity that he started while in Rome.

“I laid down all of the basic tracks, but could never finish the Mass,” said Terry. “Now, I can understand why.”

He’s also written a series of articles a la C.S. Lewis’ Screwtape Letters, from the perspective of a knight writing to a young apprentice. The title: Dragonslayers.

Whether facing the successes and failures of the past or all of the future endeavors before him, Terry realizes that his newfound faith has also given him new friends to call upon — the saints.

Taking the confirmation name of David Mark, Terry has frequently sought the intercession of the Old Testament’s warrior-king and giant-slayer.

“These are the ones who have fought and suffered before me,” says Terry.

“They will help prepare us for the battles that lie before us through their prayers and example.

1 posted on 05/17/2006 9:08:56 PM PDT by Full Court
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To: Full Court

Left his wife for another woman, both daughters pregnant out of wedlock, (one is now a Muslim,) one son is a homosexual.


2 posted on 05/17/2006 9:17:46 PM PDT by Full Court (Jesus saves)
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To: Full Court

Good gosh his daughter is a muslim too. You know he has a good heart but he has always sort of struck me as a little odd. That must have bben an interesting family to grow up in.


3 posted on 05/17/2006 10:31:50 PM PDT by catholicfreeper (Proud supporter of Pres. Bush and the Gop-- with no caveats, qualifiers, or bitc*en)
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To: Full Court

My friend just converted. He gave me some books to read and I discovered many things that don't allow me to convert:

First of all, he believes that forgiveness ONLY comes through a Priest and communion...that if a man sins, and prays for forgivenss, and truly repents, that if he dies before he can see a Priest and confess and ask for forgiveness, then he will go to hell and burn in eternal damnation-I don't see that an anywhere in the Bible.

Secondly, he believes Mary was born without sin...that she, along with Jesus, was born sinless and didn't need salvation, as she never sinned. I don't see that anywhere in the Bible, either.

Third, he believes that Mary, along with others who have died, can hear the prayers of everyone who prays for them...that they are basically omniscient, hearing all who pray to them...I don't find this in the Bible, either.

As far as transubstantiation...I can see that being possible.

Ed


4 posted on 05/18/2006 2:39:05 AM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: Sir_Ed

You wrote:

"First of all, he believes that forgiveness ONLY comes through a Priest and communion...I don't see that an anywhere in the Bible."

John 20:21-23.

"Secondly, he believes Mary was born without sin...that she, along with Jesus, was born sinless and didn't need salvation, as she never sinned. I don't see that anywhere in the Bible, either."

Okay, and where in the Bible does it say everything has to be in the Bible to be true? Can you post that verse for us?

"Third, he believes that Mary, along with others who have died, can hear the prayers of everyone who prays for them...that they are basically omniscient, hearing all who pray to them...I don't find this in the Bible, either."

Again, where in the Bible does it say everything has to be in the Bible to be true? Can you post that verse for us?
And have you forgotten about the cloud of witnesses?


5 posted on 05/18/2006 3:46:28 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998

Right off the bat, there's no way Christianity is represented there as stating that any Christian who commits a sin will die and burn in eternal hell because they have not gone to a priest, confessed their sin and taken communion.

That is absurd. That posits that a man can do something really bad, like sleeping with his girlfriend, then...even if he repents of it, apologizes to God and his girlfriend, and ask their forgiveness, yet if he dies that evening before he can go to a priest and give confession and take communion, that that Christian will burn in eternal flame, there is no way that Christianity teaches that...

Ed


6 posted on 05/18/2006 4:00:41 AM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: Sir_Ed
First of all, he believes that forgiveness ONLY comes through a Priest and communion...that if a man sins, and prays for forgivenss, and truly repents, that if he dies before he can see a Priest and confess and ask for forgiveness, then he will go to hell and burn in eternal damnation-I don't see that an anywhere in the Bible.

This is not what the Catholic Church teaches. Venial sins do not send people to hell and do not require confession for forgiveness, although we believe it beneficial.

Mortal sins are an entirely different kettle of fish. Catholics believe they are the "sins unto death" mentioned in the bible. When you knowingly, willingly, and with full consent commit a mortal sin, you are basically pulling a "Lucifer" on God and will go directly to hell if you die, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

You have two ways out of this pickle. The first, and usual way, is to repent and go to confession. Et voila, no more Hellfire (although a chance of purgatory if you weren't repentant enough). It's quick, sure, and easy.

Option 2, not so simple. You must have Perfect Contrition, and the intention to confess the proper way first chance you get. Perfect Contrition means you repent of your sin out of love for God and sorrow at the horrible offense you have made him. This kind of contrition does not include repenting out of fear of Hell or because you've realized how awful the sin itself was (either of which is sufficient for confession). Achieving Perfect Contrition is Not Easy, especially if you've just made yourself dead to the grace of God by comitting a mortal sin. Why take the chance? That's why God gave us confession in the first place, so we wouldn't have to go around wondering all the time.

For supporting bible passages and quotes from the Church Fathers, check out:

Sin

and

Contrition

7 posted on 05/18/2006 5:28:48 AM PDT by Eepsy
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To: Sir_Ed

To overly simplify:

As soon as you are contrite and resolve to go to confession and do penance as soon as you are able you're ok. If something prevents you or you get hit by a car on your way you have a shot at getting into Heaven.

On top of that we Catholics are supposed to try too hard to figure out who's in heaven or hell (excepting those in the Catholic Hall of Fame aka Saints).

We have that "out clause" with purgatory if we're bad, but not super bad....though we do get stuck there if we're good but not super good too.

Grace alone would be so much easier.


8 posted on 05/18/2006 5:42:17 AM PDT by Cheverus
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To: Eepsy; Sir_Ed

Ed:

Eepsy has it right. This is the Church's real teaching.


9 posted on 05/18/2006 5:52:18 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Full Court; catholicfreeper
"Left his wife for another woman, both daughters pregnant out of wedlock, (one is now a Muslim,) one son is a homosexual."

No, he didn't "leave his wife for another woman"--the article implies that the divorce happened before he met his second wife. And for the rest, since he has joined the Roman Catholic church, I'm certain he's been to Confession and had any sins involved forgiven.

Why don't you try the same???

10 posted on 05/18/2006 5:53:41 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Sir_Ed
Third, he believes that Mary, along with others who have died, can hear the prayers of everyone who prays for them...that they are basically omniscient, hearing all who pray to them...I don't find this in the Bible, either.

See if Revelation 5:8 proves helpful in this respect:

5:8 Now when he had taken the book, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
These 24 elders are already in heaven, and look what they are said to be holding: 1) a harp and 2) golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints

Somehow, someway, those 24 dead elders are in possession of the prayers of the saints, which they then put onto the golden altar before the throne (Rev. 8).

11 posted on 05/18/2006 6:12:33 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Sir_Ed
Secondly, he believes Mary was born without sin...that she, along with Jesus, was born sinless and didn't need salvation, as she never sinned.

That isn't Catholic belief either; Catholic belief is that she was preserved from sin by a work of grace which is a prior application of the merits of her crucified Son. Jesus is as much Mary's savior as she is mine.

12 posted on 05/18/2006 6:32:52 AM PDT by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: Full Court
Left his wife for another woman, both daughters pregnant out of wedlock, (one is now a Muslim,) one son is a homosexual.

This seems to be the pattern with children when the parents are involved in a cause. Look at Phylis Shafly or Dick Cheney.

13 posted on 05/18/2006 6:40:09 AM PDT by TradicalRC ("...this present Constitution, which will be valid henceforth, now, and forever..."-Pope St. Pius V)
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To: Full Court

Cool. We protestants traded Randall Terry for a dunce to be named later. OK...I want either Laura Ingraham or Ann Coulter or better yet Peggy Noonan in return. LOL!


14 posted on 05/18/2006 7:18:45 AM PDT by buckeyesrule
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To: Wonder Warthog

The article implies it, but his former cohorts at Operation Save America tell it differently:

"Mr. Terry's critics also say many donors who receive the fundraising letters are likely to assume that the proceeds of the Terry Family Trust benefit Mr. Terry's four oldest children, along with Cindy Terry, his wife of 19 years. Instead, the Terry Family Trust is to help Mr. Terry get back into ministry and to benefit his infant son and his second wife, the former Andrea Kollmorgan. She was 22 and served as Mr. Terry's personal assistant during his failed 1998 New York congressional campaign. In August 1999, Mr. Terry left Cindy Terry, and obtained a divorce in November 2000. He married Miss Kollmorgan seven months later."


http://www.operationsaveamerica.org/articles/articles/world-mag-exposes-randall-terry.htm


15 posted on 05/18/2006 7:36:07 AM PDT by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003
"Terry describes his current home as “The Alan Keyes home,” in homage to a fundraising letter signed by Keyes that resulted in enough money to purchase a new home. Keyes asked supporters to make financial donations to the Terry Family Foundation to “restore what the enemy took.”

Your "source" sounds rather bogus. I think I'll wait on the result of the Church's judgement in his annulment case.

16 posted on 05/18/2006 8:02:39 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Sir_Ed

You wrote: "Right off the bat, there's no way Christianity is represented there as stating that any Christian who commits a sin will die and burn in eternal hell because they have not gone to a priest, confessed their sin and taken communion."

1) Since the Bible never even remotely claims to have all truths explicitly in it don't expect it to. 2) it should be clear to anyone that reads John 20:21-23 that Jesus gave the Apostles power to forgive sins.

"That is absurd. That posits that a man can do something really bad, like sleeping with his girlfriend, then...even if he repents of it, apologizes to God and his girlfriend, and ask their forgiveness, yet if he dies that evening before he can go to a priest and give confession and take communion, that that Christian will burn in eternal flame, there is no way that Christianity teaches that..."

It does nothing of the kind. True contrition is true contrition. If a man knows that Christ ordained that sins such as fornication be confessed to a priest, however, then why shouldn't they be so confessed? God is not cruel. He will not allow a man who is truly sorry to perish uselessly. At the same time, however, Jesus established a way for us to have forgivness applied to us in normal situations. That way is confession.

You don't seem to understand what confession is let alone what it is not.


17 posted on 05/18/2006 8:13:24 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Full Court
I saw Randall Terry speak at a local Catholic Church back in 1990 or '91. He was definitely charismatic and spoke very well of Catholics at a time when I was barely aware that Evangelicals didn't like us, or more precisely, our Faith. As I became more involved with the pro-life movement I realized how unique Mr. Terry's perspective was. I suspected that there would be a time when Mr. Terry would enter the Catholic Church.

It's a shame it comes after he abandoned his wife. Also, I question his commitment to Christ if the reason he can't receive Our Lord in the Most Blessed Sacrament is that he is not willing to live as brother and sister with his current wife. It's like he's reserving his right to sin if he's really accepted Church teaching. Anybody know if this is the case?

18 posted on 05/18/2006 8:19:14 AM PDT by old and tired (Run Swannie, run!)
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To: Sir_Ed
First of all, he believes that forgiveness ONLY comes through a Priest and communion...that if a man sins, and prays for forgivenss, and truly repents, that if he dies before he can see a Priest and confess and ask for forgiveness, then he will go to hell and burn in eternal damnation-I don't see that an anywhere in the Bible.

Not true. One can make a perfect act of contrition without a priest in an emergency. The sacrament of penance, instituted by Christ in one of his post-Resurrection appearances (telling the Apostles, "whose sins you forgive are forgiven...", is a wonderful, tangible channel of God's mercy, grace and forgiveness.

Secondly, he believes Mary was born without sin...that she, along with Jesus, was born sinless and didn't need salvation, as she never sinned. I don't see that anywhere in the Bible, either.

As I understand Catholic doctrine on this point, Mary was conceived and lived without sin and was thus saved through the merits of Christ's passion and resurrection. God dwells in eternity and is not limited by time, and thus she was saved in advance.

Third, he believes that Mary, along with others who have died, can hear the prayers of everyone who prays for them...that they are basically omniscient, hearing all who pray to them...I don't find this in the Bible, either.

Revelation speaks of the prayers of God's holy people at the altar in Heaven, with the elect standing around. It doesn't seem too far fetched to me that the saints can hear the prayers of the faithful on earth through the communion of saints within the Body of Christ.

19 posted on 05/18/2006 8:27:39 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Wonder Warthog

I'm not a fan of Flip Benham and his group by any means, but since they were allies of Terry's at one time, I include it for what it's worth. I hadn't thought about Terry in years until he resurfaced during the Terri Schiavo thing, and his TV blitz being "spokesman" and keeping himself in the spotlight reminded me of what he is.


20 posted on 05/18/2006 8:54:45 AM PDT by linda_22003
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