Another reason that you should be using the KJV Bible.

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[trubluolyguy]

I have always read from the Authorized King James Version. Most likely because the Lord did not want me to get my understanding from any other source.

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So the Lord was King James?

Sorry for the smart alec reply but that was just begging for it. Honestly I use both the King James and the New English Version. I use the NEV mainly because it's easier to read and I understand it better. I do find I enjoy comparing the two versions to see the differences.

[Cedar]

If you want accurate renderings of the original Hebrew and Greek texts, get an Amplified Bible.

It can get a little wordy, however. So if I just want to casually read, I enjoy most all versions...King James, New International, the Living Bible, plus a host of others.

[PAR35]

on how to understand the Old English of the KJV Bible.

The KJV isn't written in Old English. It isn't even written in Middle English. It is in Early Modern English.

Here's a chunk of the Lord's Prayer in Old English:

1 [....]g fæder, þu þe on heofonum eardast,

2 geweorðad wuldres dreame. Sy þinum weorcum halgad
3 noma niþþa bearnum; þu eart nergend wera.
4 Cyme þin rice wide, ond þin rædfæst willa
5 aræred under rodores hrofe, eac þon on rumre foldan.
6 Syle us to dæge domfæstne blæd,
7 hlaf userne, helpend wera,
8 þone singalan, soðfæst meotod.
9 Ne læt usic costunga cnyssan to swiðe,
10 ac þu us freodom gief, folca waldend,
11 from yfla gewham, a to widan feore.

I just found one line in modern English:

Oure fader that art in heuenis halowid be thi name

[annalex]

pitfalls of the NIV, NKJV, KJ21, NASB to numerous to get into

King James is indeed better than all these, but for a complete Christian canon and lack of mariophobic mistranslations, use Douay-Rheims

[P-Marlowe]

Words like Longsuffering from the KJV have been translated into patience in the NIV. Now the word are pretty similar in the definitions, but the word longsuffering shows an inflection of pain while you endure. Patience does not imply this at all. You may be patient with the guy at the counter of the DMV, but you are long suffering with a loved one while you hope they change their ways.

So when Jesus says "Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me" that he was really anticipating some pain at the thought of having to deal with the little snots?

[P-Marlowe]

King James is indeed better than all these, but for a complete Christian canon and lack of mariophobic mistranslations, use Douay-Rheims

Mariophibic? You mean that they don't acknowledge the co-mediatrix position of the "queen of heaven?"

1 Jeremias 7 Found phrase

18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire and the women knead the dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to offer libations to strange gods, and to provoke me to anger.

2 Jeremias 44 Found phrase

17 But we will certainly do every word that shall proceed out of our own mouth, to sacrifice to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings to her, as we and our fathers have done, our kings, and our princes in the cities of Juda, and in the streets of Jerusalem: and we were filled with bread, and it was well with us, and we saw no evil.

3 Jeremias 44 Found phrase

18 But since we left off to offer sacrifice to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings to her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword, and by famine.

4 Jeremias 44 Found phrase

19 And if we offer sacrifice to the queen of heaven, and pour out drink offerings to her: did we make cakes to worship her, to pour out drink offerings to her, without our husbands?

5 Jeremias 44 Found phrase

25 Thus saith the Lord of hosts the God of Israel, saying: You and your wives have spoken with your mouth, and fulfilled with your hands, saying: Let us perform our vows which we have made, to offer sacrifice to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings to her: you have fulfilled your vows, and have performed them indeed.

[cva66snipe]

I use The Living Bible on CD mostly. It's the one I can read the easiest and these days for me that means a lot. Then I have NCV translation a very dear friend a Seventh Day Adventist gave me and NKJV translation. So if I read a Bible translated in Spanish would it be the KJV or the Spanish KJV? There will always be some discrepancies in all translations.

Has anyone ever stopped to think that these newer translations which most do keep the actual Gospel intact is to fulfill prophecy that the Gospel must be preached to all nations before Christ Second Coming? That travel and knowledge must increase?

Next point is as older scripts are found {Dead Sea Scrolls} or any written text during the era of 2000 years ago is located it sheds more light on translation.

But here perhaps is the clincher. You can read the Bible and learn it's words but The Holy Spirit allows you to learn or teaches the truths held in those words and their true meaning.

[snowsislander]

For what it is worth, there is a King James Version engine at http://www.wordsake.com where you can look at words like "longsuffering" and "patience" to study their use in the King James Version:

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		Longsuffering
	Exodus 34:6	And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
	Numbers 14:18	The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.
	Psalms 86:15	But thou, O Lord, art a God full of compassion, and gracious, longsuffering, and plenteous in mercy and truth.
	Jeremiah 15:15	O LORD, thou knowest: remember me, and visit me, and revenge me of my persecutors; take me not away in thy longsuffering: know that for thy sake I have suffered rebuke.
	Romans 2:4	Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
	Romans 9:22	What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
	2 Corinthians 6:6	By pureness, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Ghost, by love unfeigned,
	Galatians 5:22	But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
	Ephesians 4:2	With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
	Colossians 1:11	Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
	Colossians 3:12	Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
	1 Timothy 1:16	Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
	2 Timothy 3:10	But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
	2 Timothy 4:2	Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
	1 Peter 3:20	Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
	2 Peter 3:9	The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
	2 Peter 3:15	And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
For more information about Word Sake, click this link.

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		Patience
	Matthew 18:26	The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
	Matthew 18:29	And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.
	Luke 8:15	But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.
	Luke 21:19	In your patience possess ye your souls.
	Romans 5:3	And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
	Romans 5:4	And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
	Romans 8:25	But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
	Romans 15:4	For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
	Romans 15:5	Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:
	2 Corinthians 6:4	But in all things approving ourselves as the ministers of God, in much patience, in afflictions, in necessities, in distresses,
	2 Corinthians 12:12	Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.
	Colossians 1:11	Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
	1 Thessalonians 1:3	Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;
	2 Thessalonians 1:4	So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
	1 Timothy 6:11	But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
	2 Timothy 3:10	But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
	Titus 2:2	That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.
	Hebrews 6:12	That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
	Hebrews 10:36	For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
	Hebrews 12:1	Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
	James 1:3	Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
	James 1:4	But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
	James 5:7	Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.
	James 5:10	Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
	James 5:11	Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.
	2 Peter 1:6	And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
	Revelation 1:9	I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
	Revelation 2:2	I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
	Revelation 2:3	And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
	Revelation 2:19	I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
	Revelation 3:10	Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
	Revelation 13:10	He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
	Revelation 14:12	Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
For more information about Word Sake, click this link.

[GarySpFc]

As I have gotten closer to God over the years I have learned why the KJV is the best of the translations of the original Greek and Hebrew text.

How can that be if we have discovered far better and in most cases older texts of both the Greek and Hebrew Bible than they had when the KJV was translated" Furthermore, I presume you have studied and have a working knowledge of Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek to make your determination that the KJV is the best translation, correct?

[Tax-chick]

the words of the Old English which seam difficult to read and understand

Know your homophones, amigo ... it's what separates us from the savages!

And the KJV is not in "Old English," which went out of use in (roughly) 1250. (For reference, Chaucer's "Canterbury Tales" is in Middle English.) The KJV uses Jacobean English, which is slightly more modern than Shakespeare's Elizabethan version.

Yes, I know it's President's Day in the land of PC, but it's a school day here!

[Iscool]

Has anyone ever stopped to think that these newer translations which most do keep the actual Gospel intact is to fulfill prophecy that the Gospel must be preached to all nations before Christ Second Coming? That travel and knowledge must increase?

Knowledge certainly has increased in the last century...And I do believe the Gospel has been preached worldwide...

[servantboy777]

Usually in our bible studies, we will have several people with different translations. When we read scripture, normally were asked if anyone has a different translation than that of the study notes.

KJV was just very difficult for me to retain. NIV is a much easier translation and reflects the language of today.

We did do a brief study on the translation from Aramaic, Hebrew, Greek, Latin and English. The problem is that even the KJV does not adequately translate some text. There are some words in these languages that just don't translate directly so the authors of the various translations tried to describe in English as close as they linguistically could.

[servantboy777]

huh?

[PAR35]

huh?

The writer of the piece, in his ignorance, said that the King James Version was difficult for some folks because it was written in Old English. Folks like that give tranditionalist theologians a bad name.

As I noted, the KJV was written in Early Modern English, as was the Geneva Bible. I attached excerpts written in Old English and in Middle English (think of the English classes where you had to read Chaucer's Canterbury Tales in the original form) so that folks could see how off base the writer was.

[Iscool]

Kinda splittin' hairs, aren't ya??? It was written in the Old Elizabethan English which was the language used in that day...And that's some pretty old English...

[Creationist]

I humbly thank you for correcting me.

Though you do not even mention anything about the publisher of the NIV is also the publisher of a Satanic Bible. That their Teen Bibles down play sex, teach homosexuality, etc... That there were homosexuals on the edit who clearly do not adhere to the Bible. So in supporting the NIV it could be said one is guilty of supporting these sins by proxy.

Please excuse me if I gave you a bad name.
May God bless you.

[GarySpFc]

Though you do not even mention anything about the publisher of the NIV is also the publisher of a Satanic Bible. That their Teen Bibles down play sex, teach homosexuality, etc... That there were homosexuals on the edit who clearly do not adhere to the Bible. So in supporting the NIV it could be said one is guilty of supporting these sins by proxy.

And your evidence is? I hope you are going to provide far more than a link to where someone made a post.

[servantboy777]

Got it, thanx.

I just remember as a young man attempting to absorb the new testament via the KJV. Man oh man, I felt so bad that I just couldn't get it.

I'd read the hither's, thereunto's, verily verily's and all that and my head would start swimming.

[P-Marlowe]

I just remember as a young man attempting to absorb the new testament via the KJV. Man oh man, I felt so bad that I just couldn't get it. I'd read the hither's, thereunto's, verily verily's and all that and my head would start swimming.

But I bet you picked up on modern slang pretty quickly, huh?

BTW there are 4 verses with "thereunto" in the KJV New Testament and 23 with "hither".