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Love should not be confused with lust, says Pope [in forthcoming first Encyclical]
News.Telegraph ^ | 01-18-06 | Hillary Clarke

Posted on 01/18/2006 5:24:39 PM PST by Salvation

Love should not be confused with lust, says Pope
By Hilary Clarke in Rome
(Filed: 18/01/2006)

Pope Benedict XVI's first encyclical, expected in the next few days, warns believers not to confuse love with lust or degrade it "to mere sex".

 
It is Pope Benedict's first encyclical

The encyclical, a papal letter to bishops that sets out Roman Catholic policy, discusses the relationship between "eros", or erotic love, and "agape", a Greek word referring to unconditional, spiritual and selfless love.

"It is not totally negative on eros," a Vatican source said. "It argues that eros under the right circumstances is OK."

But the Pope issues a warning in the document, entitled Deus Caritas Est (God is Love), that eros risks being "degraded to mere sex" if it is not balanced with spiritual or divine love founded on the teachings of Jesus.

John Allen, a columnist with the National Catholic Reporter and one of the most respected Vatican watchers, said: "The Pope wants to make sure that everything he does is grounded in fundamentals in terms of objective truth.

"The encyclical is his attempt at being a compassionate conservative. In his mind, you can't really be free and happy unless you accept God's plan for human life."

Whe he was still Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, the Pope was known as a staunch traditionalist whose election as pontiff filled liberal Catholics with dismay. While the encyclical focuses on sex, it is likely to be a good deal less controversial than the Vatican's recent instruction banning homosexuals from the priesthood.

Although the instruction is a much less important form of Vatican communication, it has infuriated Christian gay activists who see it as discriminatory.

In explaining his views on love and sex in the encyclical, the Pope quotes from biblical writings, encyclicals written by his predecessors and the works of philosophers such as the 17th century French thinker René Descartes.

He wrote the first part himself during his holiday in the Alps last summer. The second part, dedicated to the theme of charity, draws on the work of theologians working under Pope John Paul II, who died last April.

Italian newspapers reported the encyclical as saying that even in "more just societies" Christians should do charitable works, not just for the benefit of others but for their own good.

The Vatican declined to confirm that the encyclical would appear on Friday. But the magazine Famiglia Cristiana is to publish it as a special supplement on Jan 25.

The document was originally due out last December but was delayed as cardinals and senior theologians pored over every word.

Pope Benedict's first encyclical could prove a profitable source of income for the Vatican. The leaking of its contents coincide with news that the Vatican is to transfer copyright on papal texts to its own publishing house, which will then charge others wishing to publish them.

The introduction of Vatican publishing rights is one of the new Pope's first important administrative acts. A major source of controversy between the Vatican and publishers wishing to reprint papal texts will be the Vatican's desire to charge rights retroactively on any papal texts of the past 50 years.

The last pope published 2,770 titles under his name in English, 1,000 in Spanish and 330 in Italian, plus titles in other languages.

When Pope Benedict was still a cardinal, he published hundreds of texts, especially in his native Germany, with publishers having already acquired the rights. They could now face demands for hefty back-payments.



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This should be a lively discussion!
1 posted on 01/18/2006 5:24:43 PM PST by Salvation
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To: nickcarraway; sandyeggo; Siobhan; Lady In Blue; NYer; american colleen; Pyro7480; livius; ...
Catholic Discussion Ping!

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2 posted on 01/18/2006 5:25:35 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
This should be a lively discussion!

I'm not Catholic and, er, I have committed sins of the flesh.

I beg to differ about the lively discussion. I don't think anyone can honestly disagree.

The Pope is right on target.

This century is unfolding faster than the last and the ones before...this Pope is the right man for the Job. He's a real leader.

3 posted on 01/18/2006 5:30:45 PM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Dark Skies

You have FReepmail.


4 posted on 01/18/2006 5:32:19 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: All

**, you can't really be free and happy unless you accept God's plan for human life."**

So true.


5 posted on 01/18/2006 5:34:26 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
B16 is consistent with Biblical teaching about, eros, phileo and agape love. This should not be a surprise.

Any fallout in the world press will not be a surprise, either.

Just preach the Truth, in season and out. For those who have ears to hear, let them hear.

7 posted on 01/18/2006 6:23:26 PM PST by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: Salvation

I suppose I'm set...as I have both kinds of love for my wife...


8 posted on 01/18/2006 6:27:03 PM PST by AlaninSA (It's one nation under God -- brought to you by the Knights of Columbus)
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To: Bosco

**B16 is consistent with Biblical teaching about, eros, phileo and agape love.**

It's too bad that the English language does not have words for these different meanings. Oh, how we lackluster our liturgies without them!


9 posted on 01/18/2006 7:22:12 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: AlaninSA

I would think that most committed couples do have eros and agape love for their spouses.

Have you participated in a Theology of the Body series?


10 posted on 01/18/2006 7:23:14 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Dark Skies

We'd hardly be human if we hadn't committed carnal sins. Even Benedictus.


11 posted on 01/19/2006 11:46:35 AM PST by Flavius Josephus (Ahmedi-nijad: Make Your Time.)
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To: Salvation

No - but it sounds interesting...do you have any suggested links for information?


12 posted on 01/19/2006 4:20:39 PM PST by AlaninSA (It's one nation under God -- brought to you by the Knights of Columbus)
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To: AlaninSA

You have FReepmail


13 posted on 01/19/2006 4:23:22 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: sandyeggo

Oh, it is very holy. Most of the first writings of Pope John Paul II were focused on the holiness of the body and Catholic beliefs. It has all been put together in one book, "Theology of the Body."

Christopher West has a book and set of CDs entitled "Theology of the Body Explained." So people are going to their bishops and asking that these classes to be taught.

Basically they are about respect for our own bodies, respect for the opposite sex, the holiness and sanctity of pro-creation...........and on through life. The Pope approaches each Sacrament through the Sacrament of Matriomony -- for example -- would their be any Baptism if there were no Matrimony? Continuing on through life to the Annointing of the Sick [Body] -- sometimes it's the sick spirit, though.

I posted an article by Christopher West in last Sunday's Readings when St. Paul's letter to the Corinthians was one of the readings: "Brothers and sisters: The body is nor for immorality............Therefore glorify God in your body."


15 posted on 01/19/2006 10:13:32 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: sandyeggo

www.TheologyoftheBody.net

www.NakedwithoutShame.com

www.OurFathersWillCommunications.com

www.TheologyoftheBody.net

www.TheologyoftheBody.com

www.RealLove.net

www.GodofDesire.com


16 posted on 01/19/2006 10:15:30 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: sandyeggo
What is The Theology of the Body?

What is the Theology of the Body?
The 'Theology of the Body' is Pope John Paul II's integrated vision of the human person - body, soul, and spirit. As he explains, the physical human body has a specific meaning and is capable of revealing answers regarding fundamental questions about us and our lives:
  • Is there a real purpose to life and if so, what is it?
  • Why were we created male and female? Does it really matter if we are one sex or another?
  • Why were man and woman called to communion from the beginning? What does the marital union of a man and woman say to us about God and his plan for our lives?
  • What is the purpose of the married and celibate vocations?
  • What exactly is "Love"?
  • Is it truly possible to be pure of heart?
All of these questions and many more are answered in Pope John Paul II's 129 Wednesday audiences, which were given between the years 1979 and 1984. His reflections are based on Scripture (especially the Gospels, St. Paul and the Book of Genesis), and contain a vision of the human person truly worthy of man. John Paul II discusses who man was in the beginning, who he is now (after original sin), and who he will be in the age to come. Through simple and easy to understand materials, we will accompany you to greater heights as this message is applied to the vocations of marriage and celibacy, in preparation for the Kingdom of Heaven.


Lastly, this website is dedicated to the promotion of the Pope's revolutionary and life-transforming message of hope that is designed to counteract societal trends that leave the body often seen as an object of pleasure or as a machine for manipulation. John Paul II debunks the myth that the Catholic Church is "down on sex." through both his 'Theology of the Body' and other earlier works including 'Love and Responsibility'. He encourages a true reverence for the gift of our sexuality and challenges us to live our sexuality in a way worthy of our great dignity as human persons. His theology is not only for young adults or married couples, but for all ages and vocations since it sums up the true meaning of Man.

"Brace yourself! If we take in what the Holy Father is saying in his Theology of the Body, we will never view ourselves, view others, view the Church, the Sacraments, grace, God, heaven, marriage, the celibate vocation...we will never view the world the same way again." - Christopher West


17 posted on 01/19/2006 10:18:24 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

Ah...bring back eros and agape...now, you know what kind of "love" a person is talking about.


18 posted on 01/20/2006 2:58:28 AM PST by USMMA_83 (Tantra is my fetish ;))
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To: Dark Skies

...this Pope is the right man for the Job..

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Amen! Amen!


19 posted on 01/20/2006 4:17:57 PM PST by Bigg Red (Do not trust Democrats with national security!)
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To: USMMA_83

Very true!


20 posted on 01/20/2006 4:41:10 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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