DNA vs. The Book of Mormon

Living Hope Ministries ^ | Mar 1, 2003 | Director / Producer: Joel Kramer

[johnk]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8594203721530427132

"DNA vs. The Book of Mormon" presents the evidence from DNA researchers, including Mormon scientists, who are wrestling with the DNA dilemma that now faces Mormonism.

Participants: Thomas W. Murphy; Dr. Simon Southerton; Dr. Randall Shortridge, and others. Director / Producer: Joel Kramer Director / Producer: Jeremy Reyes Editor: Scott Johnson Narrator: Ken MacHarg

[Invincibly Ignorant]

I imagine that the Islamic perspective sees less difference between Judaism and Christianity than we do, as well.

Not really. Both Islam and Christianity are offshoots of Judaism.

In relation to Mormonism ... what the Christians did not do ... was to accept the teachings of the New Testament documents, ... and yet, insist upon representing ourselves ... as Jews.

Xenia st might disagree with you. He attends the same congregation I used to and 90% of them are Gentiles pretending to be Jews. From my recently acquired different persective I can now see mormonism as being as close to protestanism as protestantism is to Catholecism. Ya'll accept the same writings. The interpretation is different obviously, that's all.

[Adam-ondi-Ahman]

Not true. He has given us everything we need. When Christ died upon the cross he said,"it is finished." All we need to do is accept it.

John 17:
3 And this is life beternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

So, yes, we need to accept Christ's atonement. We also must know God and Jesus Christ to have eternal life. How do we know them? Buy doing what Jesus did (loving our neighbor, helping the widow and orphan, being baptized like He was, repenting(which He didn't have to do)).

He also studied the scriptures, which we must do to know God. We are blessed in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints because we have received more scriptures that help us know God and Jesus better.

[Adam-ondi-Ahman]

How does "Living Hope Ministries" intend to bring people closer to Christ by pointing out the "faults" of other, Christian, organizations? You will be hard pressed to find any current leaders of the LDS Church spending time talking down other groups. On the contrary, you will find ample evidence of their talking well of other Christian groups.

(Note: We don't consider other denominations unChristian because they don't believe like we do.)

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Oh yes, I forgot. I actually believe God is not limited by 3...I think He is infinite.

Father, Son, Holy Ghost. Trinity right? You believe those three are God, right? Not a test just trying to understand your beliefs.

[Quester]

For example, we read that another man was chosen to be an Apostle, to fill the vacancy that Judas left. However, at some point the Church stopped doing that, as no one has the 12 Apostles (except the LDS).

The Apostles (and the Prophets) are the foundation of the church.

Per the scripture, ... the foundation has already been laid ...

Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

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1 Corinthians 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

Why would you need to build a new foundation (necessitating new Apostles and Prophets), ... unless you were building something different than what Christ has already built ?

Elijah and Moses visited Jesus, but why?

There is a need to know this ?

Do you think that God has withheld any knowledge at all from us ?

Jesus provided the Sacrament, but how often should it be done?

"As often as you do this ... ?" - Jesus

[pointsal]

Go real books written by Dr. Walter Martin for more insight into the Morman religion and why it is a cult.

[Quester]

From my recently acquired different persective I can now see mormonism as being as close to protestanism as protestantism is to Catholecism. Ya'll accept the same writings.

Actually ... the Mormons have an additional set of writings which we (christians) do not accept ... much like Jews don't accept the New Testament documents.

[Adam-ondi-Ahman]

Actually ... the Mormons have an additional set of writings which we (christians) do not accept ... much like Jews don't accept the New Testament documents.

Wow, a Non Mormon comparing the attitudes of modern Christiandom to the Jews of Jesus' day when it comes to additional revealed truth?!?!?

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Actually ... the Mormons have an additional set of writings which we (christians) do not accept ... much like Jews don't accept the New Testament documents

The Catholics have an additional set of writings you don't accept, called the apocrypha. Catholics, Protestants & Mormons believe in Jesus. Thats not Judaism at all.

[colorcountry]

None of those works are required. We were given the Gift of the indwelling of the Holy Ghost - he leads us to truth. However, we don't have ALL truth. Neither do the Mormons.

The Bible doesn't say that we are required to have Apostles or that they necessarily have the spirit of prophecy if we do. The Bible does not tell us why Elijah and Moses visited Jesus - I take it, by His Word, that we don't need to know.

How did Melchezidik (sp?) recieve his preisthood. Who conferred it upon him? He didn't receive it through his Levitical (Aaronic lineage.) He was conferred it by God - we don't need to know.

[colorcountry]

We are blessed in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints because we have received more scriptures that help us know God and Jesus better.

IMHO you have been deceived...you do not know him better than I. It wasn't until I left the Mormon Church that I came to know Him.

[Quester]

Actually ... the Mormons have an additional set of writings which we (christians) do not accept ... much like Jews don't accept the New Testament documents.

Wow, a Non Mormon comparing the attitudes of modern Christiandom to the Jews of Jesus' day when it comes to additional revealed truth ?!?!?

Lots of folks have come on the scene with claims of additional revelation.

Certainly, the scriptures caution us to be skeptical.

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Unfortunately, you've yet to prove your case that the Mormon writings are from God.

[Quester]

Actually ... the Mormons have an additional set of writings which we (christians) do not accept ... much like Jews don't accept the New Testament documents.

The Catholics have an additional set of writings you don't accept, called the apocrypha. Catholics, Protestants & Mormons believe in Jesus. Thats not Judaism at all.

Yep ... Jesus is the major difference.

[restornu]

Oh yes, Dr. Walter Martin who was taken from the earth while on a porcelain throne!

[restornu]

Now that was civil to agree to disagree!

Actually ... the Mormons(christians)have an additional set of writings which we mainstream (christians) do not accept ... much like Jews don't accept the New Testament documents.

[bonfire]

You don't just have "writings", you have a whole history book.

[colorcountry]

Actually ... the Mormons(christians)have an additional set of writings which we mainstream (christians) do not accept ... much like Jews don't accept the New Testament documents.

Let's change Mormons to Muslims...it's all the same thing and it is all about discernment.

[Adam-ondi-Ahman]

IMHO you have been deceived...you do not know him better than I. It wasn't until I left the Mormon Church that I came to know Him.

Well, corocounty, you believe what is right for you, and I'll do the same. I'm sorry that you had such a negative experience as a member of the Church. My experience has been wonderful.

[Adam-ondi-Ahman]

Sorry for misspelling your alias, colorcountry.

[Adam-ondi-Ahman]

Unfortunately, you've yet to prove your case that the Mormon writings are from God.

No man can prove the things of God. That's between the individual and God. Until someone says they have studied the Book of Mormon with an open mind, and prayed to God to know if it is true or not, his/her arguments that the Book of Mormon is made-up fiction from the mind of Joseph Smith, Jr. holds no water with me.