Posted on 01/18/2006 11:50:52 AM PST by johnk
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My comments weren't in defense of any religion, mormon or otherwise. Trinity is a way of explaining trinity? Come on. Where was the explanation of Trinity from Jesus or Paul? Hints don't count. Pretty big stuff for them to only "hint" and then never broach the issue directly. Millions of Monotheists walking around in 1st Century Israel and none got the newsflash that God is now three. Fact is all these same people who gave you the doctrines I listed in my previous post gave you the Trinity. The diety of Jesus at the 360ad counsel of Nicene and the Holy Spirit about a hundred years later in Chaldeon (sp). I just think it funny that protestants pick and choose what to accept from proto-orthodox and orthodox "fathers."
As I said, I am under no compulsion to believe in the Trinity as the Nicean Council, or anyone else for that matter, outlined.
My belief about God is between me and God...not my Bishop, First Couselor, Stake President, Prophet, President, or third wife. Unlike Mormon's who must stand in lockstep with the "Official Doctine" as handed down by the General Authority...then deny it (lie) when it becomes indefensible...
For instance Blacks and the Priesthood,
Polygamy,
Blood Atonement,
Word of Wisdom,
Tithing,
In your Church if you don't pay - you don't play. The Council at Nice never issued a proclaimation that said, "if you don't believe in the Trinity, exactly as we've described, YOU ARE DAMNED!"
True but you accept it as doctrine. Just as you accept the Orthodox canonization of NT writing with, I assume, the exception of Apocrypha. Like I say you pick and choose. Which is nothing new for Protestants, that's how they got started.
In your Church if you don't pay - you don't play. The Council at Nice never issued a proclaimation that said, "if you don't believe in the Trinity, exactly as we've described, YOU ARE DAMNED!"
No, but orthodoxy states that you're anethema if you don't accept Trinity. Not much difference really except for the church does the condemning and God the damning. lol.
My Church does not.
Careful CC
There is no Blood Atonement just because lair site say so and twist the Discourses I am an expert at correction spin
done it for year there is nothing you can fool me with I read it including having a collection of all of the Discourses of Brigham Young!
In your Church if you don't pay - you don't play.
That is a lie colorcountry I been on public assist for a few years and the church has helped me through all of this including half my rent!
PS I won my disablitiy insurance and no longer on PA and now able to fullfil all of my convenants!
Pay in this instance does not mean an exchange of money, although it can.
There was blood atonement, just because you don't choose to believe it doesn't make it so.
I didn't get my information from liar sites, but from family histories and journals. It's too bad your Church won't (can't) fess-up.
Which makes the point I've wanted you to condede all along. You get to pick and choose what Orthodoxy passes down to you. You accept Trinity and Canonization and reject The papacy, apostolic succession and perpetual virginity. Which is why, FWIW from my perspective, I see Orthodoxy and Protestantism to be not so different from one another.
Yes I do. I get to accept the Word of God as it speaks directly to me and through the Holy Spirit who dwells within me. I meet with a fellowship of Christians who help me see some of the errors that might creep into my thinking because of my own sinfulness. I do not take their word as "gospel" I take it as advisement and correction.
I never said I accept the concept of Trinity exactly as outlined by those who have come before me. I do accept the canonization...I believe the Word is literal...it is the Word of God that has been given to me in it's present state.
I see no need to believe in papacy, apostolic succession or perpetual virginity...they are not biblical in the sense that you are suggesting. However, the early Apostles did hold a drawing of straws to determine who would take the place of Judas Iscariot. I believed that happened just as it is written.
CC in all kindness, having a conversation with you is like having a conversation with a changeling!:)
Which makes the point I've wanted you to condede all along. You get to pick and choose what Orthodoxy passes down to you.
We all choose ... from among the documents that any supposed Orthodoxy has passed down.
Protestants have chosen to base their doctrines upon the accepted New Testament documents.
Hence, there area any number of beliefs we share in common with any supposed Christian Orthodoxy (and here, I assume you are speaking of the Catholics).
OTOH ... there are many areas where we disagree with the Catholics, Orthodox, etc.
Likewise, there are many areas of belief which we share with the Jews ... and, of course, many that we do not.
Which makes the point I've wanted you to condede all along. You get to pick and choose what Orthodoxy passes down to you. You accept Trinity and Canonization and reject The papacy, apostolic succession and perpetual virginity. Which is why, FWIW from my perspective, I see Orthodoxy and Protestantism to be not so different from one another.
I imagine that the Islamic perspective sees less difference between Judaism and Christianity than we do, as well.
In relation to Mormonism ... what the Christians did not do ... was to accept the teachings of the New Testament documents, ... and yet, insist upon representing ourselves ... as Jews.
I think that is because you confuse my answers with those of other posters.
Please respond by freep-mail or here if you need clarification about my stance.
Not true. He has given us everything we need. When Christ died upon the cross he said,"it is finished." All we need to do is accept it.
If you believe that 3 are 1 and 1 are 3, you believe it.
I see no need to believe in papacy, apostolic succession or perpetual virginity...they are not biblical in the sense that you are suggesting. However, the early Apostles did hold a drawing of straws to determine who would take the place of Judas Iscariot. I believed that happened just as it is written.
I didn't suggest they were Biblical. I'm not a Christian. I don't accept any NT writings.
Oh yes, I forgot. I actually believe God is not limited by 3...I think He is infinite.
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