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DNA vs. The Book of Mormon
Living Hope Ministries ^ | Mar 1, 2003 | Director / Producer: Joel Kramer

Posted on 01/18/2006 11:50:52 AM PST by johnk

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8594203721530427132

"DNA vs. The Book of Mormon" presents the evidence from DNA researchers, including Mormon scientists, who are wrestling with the DNA dilemma that now faces Mormonism.

Participants: Thomas W. Murphy; Dr. Simon Southerton; Dr. Randall Shortridge, and others. Director / Producer: Joel Kramer Director / Producer: Jeremy Reyes Editor: Scott Johnson Narrator: Ken MacHarg


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Other Christian; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: antimormonthread; christian; cults; dna; evangelicalcultist; genetics; godsgravesglyphs; lds; ldschurch; mormonhater; mormonism
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To: colorcountry
We have already discussed the trinity...it is our human inadequacies that limit our understanding of God. The Trinity was a way of explaining the triune nature of God, infinite-omniscient-omnipotent, flesh, spirit...one God. Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit, God the Father.

My comments weren't in defense of any religion, mormon or otherwise. Trinity is a way of explaining trinity? Come on. Where was the explanation of Trinity from Jesus or Paul? Hints don't count. Pretty big stuff for them to only "hint" and then never broach the issue directly. Millions of Monotheists walking around in 1st Century Israel and none got the newsflash that God is now three. Fact is all these same people who gave you the doctrines I listed in my previous post gave you the Trinity. The diety of Jesus at the 360ad counsel of Nicene and the Holy Spirit about a hundred years later in Chaldeon (sp). I just think it funny that protestants pick and choose what to accept from proto-orthodox and orthodox "fathers."

81 posted on 01/24/2006 12:22:45 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

As I said, I am under no compulsion to believe in the Trinity as the Nicean Council, or anyone else for that matter, outlined.

My belief about God is between me and God...not my Bishop, First Couselor, Stake President, Prophet, President, or third wife. Unlike Mormon's who must stand in lockstep with the "Official Doctine" as handed down by the General Authority...then deny it (lie) when it becomes indefensible...

For instance Blacks and the Priesthood,
Polygamy,
Blood Atonement,
Word of Wisdom,
Tithing,

In your Church if you don't pay - you don't play. The Council at Nice never issued a proclaimation that said, "if you don't believe in the Trinity, exactly as we've described, YOU ARE DAMNED!"


82 posted on 01/24/2006 12:30:19 PM PST by colorcountry (Currently not in the process of becoming a God!)
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To: colorcountry
As I said, I am under no compulsion to believe in the Trinity as the Nicean Council, or anyone else for that matter, outlined.

True but you accept it as doctrine. Just as you accept the Orthodox canonization of NT writing with, I assume, the exception of Apocrypha. Like I say you pick and choose. Which is nothing new for Protestants, that's how they got started.

In your Church if you don't pay - you don't play. The Council at Nice never issued a proclaimation that said, "if you don't believe in the Trinity, exactly as we've described, YOU ARE DAMNED!"

No, but orthodoxy states that you're anethema if you don't accept Trinity. Not much difference really except for the church does the condemning and God the damning. lol.

83 posted on 01/24/2006 12:37:20 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

My Church does not.


84 posted on 01/24/2006 12:39:21 PM PST by colorcountry (Currently not in the process of becoming a God!)
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To: colorcountry

Careful CC

There is no Blood Atonement just because lair site say so and twist the Discourses I am an expert at correction spin
done it for year there is nothing you can fool me with I read it including having a collection of all of the Discourses of Brigham Young!

In your Church if you don't pay - you don't play.

That is a lie colorcountry I been on public assist for a few years and the church has helped me through all of this including half my rent!


85 posted on 01/24/2006 12:42:00 PM PST by restornu (On the other hand some here even pick-up Sugary Darts at their local Pharisee shop!)
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To: colorcountry

PS I won my disablitiy insurance and no longer on PA and now able to fullfil all of my convenants!


86 posted on 01/24/2006 12:46:35 PM PST by restornu (On the other hand some here even pick-up Sugary Darts at their local Pharisee shop!)
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To: restornu

Pay in this instance does not mean an exchange of money, although it can.


87 posted on 01/24/2006 12:48:42 PM PST by colorcountry (Currently not in the process of becoming a God!)
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To: restornu

There was blood atonement, just because you don't choose to believe it doesn't make it so.

I didn't get my information from liar sites, but from family histories and journals. It's too bad your Church won't (can't) fess-up.


88 posted on 01/24/2006 12:57:46 PM PST by colorcountry (Currently not in the process of becoming a God!)
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To: colorcountry
My Church does not.

Which makes the point I've wanted you to condede all along. You get to pick and choose what Orthodoxy passes down to you. You accept Trinity and Canonization and reject The papacy, apostolic succession and perpetual virginity. Which is why, FWIW from my perspective, I see Orthodoxy and Protestantism to be not so different from one another.

89 posted on 01/24/2006 1:01:27 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: colorcountry
If this is so, that you cannot receive the Holy Ghost until it is conferred upon you, who is it that answers you when you pray to receive wisdom about the truth of the Book of Mormon? ...

I didn't read where "someone with authority went around laying hands on everyone present." The Holy Spirit is a gift of God


The influence of the Holy Spirit can be felt by all. The Gift of the Holy Ghost is given by the laying on of hands.

Acts 8:
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles’ hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,

19 Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.

20 But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
90 posted on 01/24/2006 1:13:51 PM PST by Adam-ondi-Ahman
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
You get to pick and choose what Orthodoxy passes down to you.

Yes I do. I get to accept the Word of God as it speaks directly to me and through the Holy Spirit who dwells within me. I meet with a fellowship of Christians who help me see some of the errors that might creep into my thinking because of my own sinfulness. I do not take their word as "gospel" I take it as advisement and correction.

I never said I accept the concept of Trinity exactly as outlined by those who have come before me. I do accept the canonization...I believe the Word is literal...it is the Word of God that has been given to me in it's present state.

I see no need to believe in papacy, apostolic succession or perpetual virginity...they are not biblical in the sense that you are suggesting. However, the early Apostles did hold a drawing of straws to determine who would take the place of Judas Iscariot. I believed that happened just as it is written.

91 posted on 01/24/2006 1:14:08 PM PST by colorcountry (Currently not in the process of becoming a God!)
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To: colorcountry; Invincibly Ignorant

CC in all kindness, having a conversation with you is like having a conversation with a changeling!:)


92 posted on 01/24/2006 1:15:56 PM PST by restornu (On the other hand some here even pick-up Sugary Darts at their local Pharisee shop!)
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To: Adam-ondi-Ahman
The laying on of hands can be helpful to one in receiving the Holy Spirit. Not one of the scriptures you quote indicated that it is necessary.
93 posted on 01/24/2006 1:16:54 PM PST by colorcountry (Currently not in the process of becoming a God!)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Which makes the point I've wanted you to condede all along. You get to pick and choose what Orthodoxy passes down to you.

We all choose ... from among the documents that any supposed Orthodoxy has passed down.

Protestants have chosen to base their doctrines upon the accepted New Testament documents.

Hence, there area any number of beliefs we share in common with any supposed Christian Orthodoxy (and here, I assume you are speaking of the Catholics).

OTOH ... there are many areas where we disagree with the Catholics, Orthodox, etc.

Likewise, there are many areas of belief which we share with the Jews ... and, of course, many that we do not.

Which makes the point I've wanted you to condede all along. You get to pick and choose what Orthodoxy passes down to you. You accept Trinity and Canonization and reject The papacy, apostolic succession and perpetual virginity. Which is why, FWIW from my perspective, I see Orthodoxy and Protestantism to be not so different from one another.

I imagine that the Islamic perspective sees less difference between Judaism and Christianity than we do, as well.

In relation to Mormonism ... what the Christians did not do ... was to accept the teachings of the New Testament documents, ... and yet, insist upon representing ourselves ... as Jews.

94 posted on 01/24/2006 1:17:39 PM PST by Quester
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To: restornu

I think that is because you confuse my answers with those of other posters.

Please respond by freep-mail or here if you need clarification about my stance.


95 posted on 01/24/2006 1:18:22 PM PST by colorcountry (Currently not in the process of becoming a God!)
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To: colorcountry
The laying on of hands can be helpful to one in receiving the Holy Spirit. Not one of the scriptures you quote indicated that it is necessary.

True, thus the need for continuing revelation so we can know the will of God.
96 posted on 01/24/2006 1:19:27 PM PST by Adam-ondi-Ahman
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To: Adam-ondi-Ahman

Not true. He has given us everything we need. When Christ died upon the cross he said,"it is finished." All we need to do is accept it.


97 posted on 01/24/2006 1:22:52 PM PST by colorcountry (Currently not in the process of becoming a God!)
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To: colorcountry
I never said I accept the concept of Trinity exactly as outlined by those who have come before me. I do accept the canonization...I believe the Word is literal...it is the Word of God that has been given to me in it's present state.

If you believe that 3 are 1 and 1 are 3, you believe it.

I see no need to believe in papacy, apostolic succession or perpetual virginity...they are not biblical in the sense that you are suggesting. However, the early Apostles did hold a drawing of straws to determine who would take the place of Judas Iscariot. I believed that happened just as it is written.

I didn't suggest they were Biblical. I'm not a Christian. I don't accept any NT writings.


98 posted on 01/24/2006 1:24:09 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

Oh yes, I forgot. I actually believe God is not limited by 3...I think He is infinite.


99 posted on 01/24/2006 1:25:43 PM PST by colorcountry (Currently not in the process of becoming a God!)
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To: colorcountry
Many of the books in the New Testament are letters from the Church leaders to church members. Thus, much of the context was assumed. However, we don't have the documents on the particulars of Christ's church. For example, we read that another man was chosen to be an Apostle, to fill the vacancy that Judas left. However, at some point the Church stopped doing that, as no one has the 12 Apostles (except the LDS).

Elijah and Moses visited Jesus, but why? Jesus provided the Sacrament, but how often should it be done? Etc.
100 posted on 01/24/2006 1:27:02 PM PST by Adam-ondi-Ahman
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