A Surfeit of Jesuses! – But No "Jesus of Nazareth"

Jesusneverexisted.com ^ | Unknown | Kenneth Humphreys

[Navydog]

Josephus, the first century Jewish historian mentions no fewer than nineteen different Yeshuas/Jesii, about half of them contemporaries of the supposed Christ! In his Antiquities, of the twenty-eight high priests who held office from the reign of Herod the Great to the fall of the Temple, no fewer than four bore the name Jesus: Jesus ben Phiabi, Jesus ben Sec, Jesus ben Damneus and Jesus ben Gamaliel. Even Saint Paul makes reference to a rival magician, preaching ‘another Jesus’ (2 Corinthians 11,4). The surfeit of early Jesuses includes:

[Conservative til I die]

Of course but the article link provides references prior to the gospels indicating it was an existant Jewish liturgy.

The thrust of the total article is that while there are numerous historical persons named Jesus, there are no historical references to Jesus of Nazareth.

Right. But call me slow here, I don't see how the "Our Father" making references to Old Testament writings leads one to the conclusion Jesus is a myth. Jesus quoted lots of Old Testament writings in His preaching.

I checked out the website and while I don't have a problem with the belief of the author, the arguments are really, really, lacking.

[bert]

......the arguments are really, really, lacking......

I can't really disagree with you.

[Knitting A Conundrum]

One of the flaws of a lot of "historical analysis" is that they all want everything Jesus said or did to be totally unique, without precident, with nothing coming down from earlier teachings.

Seems to me that we have evidence of a God picked a people to be his, with which he intended to bring Jesus into the world. He taught them through Moses and the prophets, a way of belief, thought and approach to spirituality that he thought was good.

Why then, when Jesus draws from the good that has come down, is it not acceptable to these people? To me, it's a real fallacy thinking that Jesus alone of all men who walked the earth, should be required to have all his ideas and teachings in a vacuum uncontaminated by previous generations.

No human can do this. Why should the Man-God, who, as Christians believe is part of the Holy Trinity, and thus God, and therefore was involved in the shaping of Jewish thought, be required to use none of it?

[Old Seadog]

[escapefromboston]

hmm that was not a very good site. It's amazing what some people will believe. So someone doesn't believe in Jesus, okay fine, but to believe in this junk on his webpage??? yeesh.

[Navydog]

"It is, however, an incendiary piece that should not have been posted naked. You should have at least added a comment to the effect "I don't believe this, please comment" to avoid implied support."

Noted for future reference!

[Phsstpok]

Noted for future reference!

Of course. I expected nothing less. Every syllable I utter should be written down and studied as the totally perfect observations that they are!

Uh... yeah. ;^>

[jimtorr]

.....what would a person named Joshua be called if they went to Israel?

Well, considering that the Hebrew language does not have a hard 'J' sound, and they have to substitute a 'Y' sound........

I don't know what the Ultra-Orthodox folks think, but I've never heard of any problems.

Jesus wasn't just some preacher to the Jewish authorities in the first and second centuries. From their point of view, Jesus and his followers hijacked and perverted their whole religion. They went so far as to alter some of their scriptures to make the connections with Jesus of Nazareth less clear.

[onedoug]

Hyam Maccoby, Revolution In Judea

[Alex Murphy]

Josephus, the first century Jewish historian mentions no fewer than nineteen different Yeshuas/Jesii, about half of them contemporaries of the supposed Christ! In his Antiquities, of the twenty-eight high priests who held office from the reign of Herod the Great to the fall of the Temple, no fewer than four bore the name Jesus: Jesus ben Phiabi, Jesus ben Sec, Jesus ben Damneus and Jesus ben Gamaliel.

I wonder how many people living in NYC are named "Brent Lewis". If there's more than one, could we conclude they're all fakes?

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

The name "Jesus" is quite common even today.

Jesus=Haysus (Spanish)
Jesus=Joshua
Jesus=Osee
Jesus= Iesus
Jesus= Hosea
Jesus=Jesse (as in James)

so, what's the purpose of this diatribe?

[muir_redwoods]

So, you propose to prove a negative? Most 10th graders are smarter than that.

[muir_redwoods]

"I was told once that the Jewish world never uses the name."

I am a JP and I married an observant Jew named Joshua. He married a Christian girl and could not be married in the temple.