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Another category of disposable Dutch people
Ecumenical Insanity ^ | 1/07/2005 | Athanasius

Posted on 01/08/2005 10:25:01 AM PST by sionnsar

When I was in college philosophy classes, one category of argument that was regularly disparaged was the "slippery slope." My professors, of course, worked under a handicap: they'd never encountered the phenomena of Dutch euthanasia:

Doctors can help patients who ask for help to die even though they may not be ill but "suffering through living," concludes a three year inquiry commissioned by the Royal Dutch Medical Association. The report argues that no reason can be given to exclude situations of such suffering from a doctor’s area of competence.

The conclusion has reopened a fierce debate over what constitutes grounds for requesting euthanasia, as it contradicts a landmark Supreme Court decision that a patient must have a "classifiable physical or mental condition." The 2002 ruling upheld a guilty verdict on a GP for helping his 86 year old patient die, even though he was not technically ill but obsessed with his physical decline and hopeless existence.

The Dutch euthanasia law does not specifically state that a patient must have a physical or mental condition, only that a patient must be "suffering hopelessly and unbearably."

The new report does not rule on how doctors should respond if a patient without a classifiable condition should approach them for help but says that doctors believe that some cases of "suffering through living" could be judged "unbearable and hopeless" and therefore fall within the boundaries of the existing euthanasia law.

The report argues that the Supreme Court criteria are unhelpful in defining the limits of medical practice in varied and complex cases. It is "an illusion," it argues, to suggest that a patient's suffering can be "unambiguously measured according to his illness."

Jos Dijkhuis, the emeritus professor of clinical psychology who led the inquiry, said that it was "evident to us that Dutch doctors would not consider euthanasia from a patient who is simply 'tired of, or through with, life,'" (terms used in the original court case). Instead his committee chose the term "suffering through living," where a patient may present a variety of physical and mental complaints.

He said there was "enormous protest" from doctors to the Supreme Court's ruling. "In more than half of cases we considered, doctors were not confronted with a classifiable disease. In practice the medical domain of doctors is far broader...We see a doctor's task is to reduce suffering, therefore we can't exclude these cases in advance. We must now look further to see if we can draw a line and if so where."

His report recommends caution, saying that doctors currently lack sufficient expertise and that their roles remain unclear. It recommends drawing up protocols by which to judge "suffering through living" cases and collecting and analysing further data. In the meantime it recommends an "extra phase" to treatment, where therapeutic and social solutions can first be sought.


Rather than seek more effective ways of treating people, doctors in the Netherlands looks for ever more reasons to rationalize killing them. The ever-growing God complex of Dutch medical practitioners is a fearful thing to behold.


TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: euthanasia; medicine; murder; populationdecline; suicide
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

(I think you covered it all, HTB!)


21 posted on 01/12/2005 2:51:42 PM PST by Monkey Face (Estne volumen in toga, an solum tibi libet me videre?)
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To: sionnsar

Makes Kavorkian look almost sane. NOT!


22 posted on 01/12/2005 2:59:02 PM PST by Monkey Face (Estne volumen in toga, an solum tibi libet me videre?)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite
Useless eaters....

I don't what anyone to take this the wrong way but WWII and the death camps prevented eugenics from becoming a US and British policy.

Once they were hit in the face with the unvarnished truth about where their current path was leading they, to their credit, abandon it.

But the evil lives on.

23 posted on 01/12/2005 3:16:49 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum europe vincendarum (V minus 3 and counting))
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To: Monkey Face

Thank you. Good to see you back on line.


24 posted on 01/12/2005 3:17:51 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum europe vincendarum (V minus 3 and counting))
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

That's true, before 1945, eugenics was advocated right across the political spectrum (yes, even by conservatives - Winston Churhill was one), but like you said, the Holocaust brought that crashing to the ground - thank G-d.


25 posted on 01/12/2005 3:34:14 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (Animals don't have Rights - But Man has Responsibilities to Animals.)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite
Have you read State Of Fear by Michael Crichton yet?

In the back he talks about the eugenics movement. I knew it was a major movement because of personal family history but I never knew just how big and how wide spread the belief was.

Teddy Roosevelt was a supporter. I never knew that.

26 posted on 01/12/2005 3:40:03 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum europe vincendarum (V minus 3 and counting))
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To: Clog Boy

You should be nicer on your first day here, you know.


27 posted on 01/12/2005 3:48:54 PM PST by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Pajama Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Indeed. Aldous Huxley's Brave New World was written in the backdrop of that era - will we be Savages living on Reservations?
28 posted on 01/12/2005 3:57:19 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (Animals don't have Rights - But Man has Responsibilities to Animals.)
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To: Ciexyz

"The discrimination against "imperfect people" goes all the way back to the Levitical commandments in the Bible, that people with physical disabilities be barred from the Temple."

Discrimination, different treatment, is NOT the same as killing people.



29 posted on 01/12/2005 4:05:02 PM PST by walden
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To: Ciexyz
"The discrimination against "imperfect people" goes all the way back to the Levitical commandments in the Bible, that people with physical disabilities be barred from the Temple."

Can you provide a source please? My search shows no results for "imperfect people" or even the word "imperfect" in the Authorized King James Bible.

(I keep a very useful concordance on my profile.)
30 posted on 01/12/2005 4:29:25 PM PST by DocRock
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To: DocRock
I think he is referring to Leviticus 21 were it gives rules for the priests. Those who were deformed of the High Priest's family were not allowed to go into the Holy of Holies
31 posted on 01/12/2005 4:47:27 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum europe vincendarum (V minus 3 and counting))
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

They already tried that. We got out. :)


32 posted on 01/12/2005 4:51:12 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum europe vincendarum (V minus 3 and counting))
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Thanks!


33 posted on 01/12/2005 4:52:14 PM PST by DocRock
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To: Clog Boy

Tell me, where are you from oh post and run troll?
Tafkaltd?
Taotao?
That you?


34 posted on 01/12/2005 6:09:27 PM PST by Darksheare (Taglines may or may not reflect reality depending upon the humor of their owner. I'm a penguin!)
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