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Another category of disposable Dutch people
Ecumenical Insanity ^ | 1/07/2005 | Athanasius

Posted on 01/08/2005 10:25:01 AM PST by sionnsar

When I was in college philosophy classes, one category of argument that was regularly disparaged was the "slippery slope." My professors, of course, worked under a handicap: they'd never encountered the phenomena of Dutch euthanasia:

Doctors can help patients who ask for help to die even though they may not be ill but "suffering through living," concludes a three year inquiry commissioned by the Royal Dutch Medical Association. The report argues that no reason can be given to exclude situations of such suffering from a doctor’s area of competence.

The conclusion has reopened a fierce debate over what constitutes grounds for requesting euthanasia, as it contradicts a landmark Supreme Court decision that a patient must have a "classifiable physical or mental condition." The 2002 ruling upheld a guilty verdict on a GP for helping his 86 year old patient die, even though he was not technically ill but obsessed with his physical decline and hopeless existence.

The Dutch euthanasia law does not specifically state that a patient must have a physical or mental condition, only that a patient must be "suffering hopelessly and unbearably."

The new report does not rule on how doctors should respond if a patient without a classifiable condition should approach them for help but says that doctors believe that some cases of "suffering through living" could be judged "unbearable and hopeless" and therefore fall within the boundaries of the existing euthanasia law.

The report argues that the Supreme Court criteria are unhelpful in defining the limits of medical practice in varied and complex cases. It is "an illusion," it argues, to suggest that a patient's suffering can be "unambiguously measured according to his illness."

Jos Dijkhuis, the emeritus professor of clinical psychology who led the inquiry, said that it was "evident to us that Dutch doctors would not consider euthanasia from a patient who is simply 'tired of, or through with, life,'" (terms used in the original court case). Instead his committee chose the term "suffering through living," where a patient may present a variety of physical and mental complaints.

He said there was "enormous protest" from doctors to the Supreme Court's ruling. "In more than half of cases we considered, doctors were not confronted with a classifiable disease. In practice the medical domain of doctors is far broader...We see a doctor's task is to reduce suffering, therefore we can't exclude these cases in advance. We must now look further to see if we can draw a line and if so where."

His report recommends caution, saying that doctors currently lack sufficient expertise and that their roles remain unclear. It recommends drawing up protocols by which to judge "suffering through living" cases and collecting and analysing further data. In the meantime it recommends an "extra phase" to treatment, where therapeutic and social solutions can first be sought.


Rather than seek more effective ways of treating people, doctors in the Netherlands looks for ever more reasons to rationalize killing them. The ever-growing God complex of Dutch medical practitioners is a fearful thing to behold.


TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: euthanasia; medicine; murder; populationdecline; suicide
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The ever-growing God complex of Dutch medical practitioners is a fearful thing to behold.
1 posted on 01/08/2005 10:25:01 AM PST by sionnsar
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To: sionnsar

now the philosophy professors embrace the slippery slope - at least they do in my deparment. Fetuses, newborns, mentally retarded people, comatose, senile - none are "normative agents" and thus have no right to life. This is the accepted train of thought among professional ethicists today :(


2 posted on 01/08/2005 10:33:46 AM PST by sassbox
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To: sionnsar

How about providing us with some arguments for the 'slippery slope' theory?

The argument that if I eat junkfood once a year, there will be a time that I eat junkfood five times a day?

The argument that if I swear once, I'll kill twenty people once?

Incredible. You have some mighty fine schools in the US. Congratulations!


3 posted on 01/12/2005 2:04:29 PM PST by Clog Boy
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To: Clog Boy
 Welcome to FreeRepublic 

4 posted on 01/12/2005 2:10:15 PM PST by sionnsar († trad-anglican.faithweb.com † || Iran Azadi || Kiev County: http://www.soundpolitics.com)
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Do wooden shoes hurt a lot?
5 posted on 01/12/2005 2:21:07 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Could someone tell me how to set up a tagline? Any help is appreciated. Thanks)
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To: sionnsar

Howdy. Newbie in here I see.


6 posted on 01/12/2005 2:21:46 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Could someone tell me how to set up a tagline? Any help is appreciated. Thanks)
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To: Clog Boy

Pot, and how it seems linked almost always to harder drugs has been a good slipery slope example.

Welfare, and how it depresses the human spirit and expectations is another example and often removes them from mainstream life is another example.

Success, and the result of hard work and doing it making you want to repeat it over and over is another example.

Winning occasionaly in gambling, and many getting addicted to it and then losing major amounts of money and ruining lives is another.


7 posted on 01/12/2005 2:22:28 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Clog Boy

Welcome to FR!


8 posted on 01/12/2005 2:23:35 PM PST by Darksheare (Taglines may or may not reflect reality depending upon the humor of their owner. I'm a penguin!)
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To: Clog Boy

Every trolling post you make brings your soul closer to ME.
9 posted on 01/12/2005 2:24:36 PM PST by Darksheare (Taglines may or may not reflect reality depending upon the humor of their owner. I'm a penguin!)
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To: Clog Boy


10 posted on 01/12/2005 2:30:36 PM PST by OSHA (Moosenami - Waves of crazed moose thought to be caused by earthquakes deep under the fjords.)
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To: sionnsar

The discrimination against "imperfect people" goes all the way back to the Levitical commandments in the Bible, that people with physical disabilities be barred from the Temple.


11 posted on 01/12/2005 2:31:21 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie)
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To: Clog Boy
You might wanna explain yourself a bit better. This might not go as well for you as you might think.


12 posted on 01/12/2005 2:39:06 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: Clog Boy

Welcome to FR.

I think you may have wandered in too far...you never know what lurks around the next corner...

*evil laughter, fading in the distance*


13 posted on 01/12/2005 2:40:55 PM PST by Monkey Face (Estne volumen in toga, an solum tibi libet me videre?)
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To: Dead Corpse; Clog Boy
Yeah Clog Boy! Things are not always as the seem.


14 posted on 01/12/2005 2:41:37 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Could someone tell me how to set up a tagline? Any help is appreciated. Thanks)
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The argument that if I swear once, I'll kill twenty people once?

The argument that if I pray to Allah once, I'll kill twenty people once?

15 posted on 01/12/2005 2:48:17 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (Animals don't have Rights - But Man has Responsibilities to Animals.)
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To: Clog Boy
BTW, the answer is: YES.
16 posted on 01/12/2005 2:48:58 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (Animals don't have Rights - But Man has Responsibilities to Animals.)
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To: jj_fate; hk409

Bump!


17 posted on 01/12/2005 2:50:16 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (Animals don't have Rights - But Man has Responsibilities to Animals.)
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To: Clog Boy
Sure. How about once upon a time it was not ok to have an abortion.

Then it was ok to kill a child three months after conception.

Then it was ok to kill a child at six month after conception.

Then it was ok to kill a child at nine months after conception.

Then it was ok to leave it to die after the child was born.

Now there are some people pushing to have it be legal to kill a child 30 days after birth.

Any questions?

18 posted on 01/12/2005 2:50:16 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum europe vincendarum (V minus 3 and counting))
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To: Clog Boy

Put you head in the dyke and take a deep breath creep!


19 posted on 01/12/2005 2:50:54 PM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

And now, it seems, ok to kill OAPs.


20 posted on 01/12/2005 2:51:26 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (Animals don't have Rights - But Man has Responsibilities to Animals.)
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