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We all worship allah!
Catholic Diocese of Lake Charles, Louisiana ^ | November 2004 | Bishop Braxton

Posted on 11/28/2004 3:42:04 PM PST by AskStPhilomena

If you accept monotheism, the belief that there is only one God, you realize that Yahweh, The God of Israel, Abba Father, the God of Jesus Christ and Allah the God of Islam is the SAME God, since there is only one God. Judaism does not have God, Christianity does not have God, Islam does not have God. If the God in whom we believe IS God, then we do not have God. God has us!

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TOPICS: Activism; Apologetics; Catholic; Current Events; Ecumenism; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Other non-Christian; Prayer; Religion & Culture; Theology; Worship
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To: AskStPhilomena

These PoMo priests should lay off the sacramental wine. They get all giddy and too ecumenical.


41 posted on 11/28/2004 8:02:38 PM PST by dennisw (G_D: Against Amelek for all generations)
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To: dukeman

I should point out that my reaction to the word 'abba' is based on its use by small children in modern Hebrew to mean 'daddy', like children say 'dada' in English. It is used in Yiddish and Aramaic as a straightforward translation that means the more formal 'father'. I am unaware of any reason to believe that 'abba' was informal when Aramaic was spoken 2000 years ago as its form is a very standard one.


42 posted on 11/28/2004 8:06:38 PM PST by hlmencken3 ("...politics is a religion substitute for liberals and they can't stand the competition")
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah; gbcdoj

Related....
http://www.dailycatholic.org/issue/04Nov/nov25fms.htm


43 posted on 11/28/2004 8:43:04 PM PST by AskStPhilomena
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To: AskStPhilomena

The title is deliberately provocative, but this article raises a good point. Is there one God or many? Is god universal, Omnipotent, infinite? I thought these were cornerstones of belief.

Yet if this is true, then all these Gods are simply one God. A wise man, asked what God was, once said, "I don't know, but I know there is only one."

Now, if there is only one God, then all teh gods of the various religions are just mere names for the same God: Allah, Jehovah, Jahweh, Waheguru, Atman, God, etc. It matters not to God what you call God. Call God Fred for all God cares. But it matters a great deal to you, for it determines how you see God, and how you see God is how God will show up in your life.


44 posted on 11/28/2004 8:46:38 PM PST by TBP
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To: infidel29
...and moreover, heaven and hell are the same place.

They aren't even p[laces at all, but states of being. If you find yourself in Hell, then change the way you think about it and you can be in Heaven.

"Heaven is not a place or time; Heaven is being perfect." -- Jonathan Livingston Seagull

"Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect." -- Jesus.

45 posted on 11/28/2004 8:51:38 PM PST by TBP
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To: hlmencken3
"Abba" is the sound of the Hebrew word for "father".

And in Swedish, it means "rock group."

46 posted on 11/28/2004 8:53:30 PM PST by TBP
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To: stripes1776
The God of Christianity is not the God of Islam.

So there is more than one?

47 posted on 11/28/2004 8:58:45 PM PST by TBP
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To: AskStPhilomena

Christians and Jews worship the same God. Muslims worship a foreign god that their fathers did not know.


48 posted on 11/28/2004 9:40:03 PM PST by ladyinred (Congratulations President Bush! Four more years!)
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To: AskStPhilomena; Coleus; cyborg

'Salamuh LAYkum brothers and sister! Does this mean Father Willy will be serving Bean Pies after Midnight Mass?


49 posted on 11/28/2004 9:42:44 PM PST by Clemenza (Gabba Gabba Hey!)
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To: Clemenza

LOL


50 posted on 11/28/2004 9:44:03 PM PST by cyborg ( Hy verkwik my siel; Hy lei my in die spore van geregtigheid, om sy Naam ontwil.)
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To: AskStPhilomena

Yeah right! And I'm my own Grampa too.


51 posted on 11/28/2004 9:44:42 PM PST by Bullish
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To: dukeman
Please tell me, in Judaism is it considered appropriate to use Abba when referring to God? My guess would be not.

Isaiah, writing in Hebrew rather than Aramaic, uses avinu (Father) in reference to God in Isaiah 63:16.

52 posted on 11/28/2004 10:11:13 PM PST by malakhi
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To: murphE
The true God is Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Muslims reject this. Therefore the 'god' they worship is a false god, and we all know what false gods really are don't we?.

Is the God of Israel a false god as well?

I prefer to say that Christians and Jews worship the same God, but we differ in our beliefs about certain aspects of His nature.

53 posted on 11/28/2004 10:13:15 PM PST by malakhi
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To: Huntress

Maybe they meant Abba's fathers?


54 posted on 11/28/2004 10:16:05 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographics has consequences.)
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To: AskStPhilomena

Garbage.

The Jews worship the Father only (though Jesus says they rejected the Father when they rejected the Son)...

The Christians worship the Triune God in the Blessed Trinity.

The Muslims worship the bloodthirsty (false, pagan) Arab Moon god and some meteorite in Mecca.


55 posted on 11/28/2004 10:45:07 PM PST by broadsword (When Islam creeps into a human society, oppression, misogyny and terror come hard on its heels.)
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To: Clemenza
'Salamuh LAYkum, brothers and sister!

Alaykumu s-salam. Kayf haluk?
56 posted on 11/28/2004 10:47:10 PM PST by broadsword (When Islam creeps into a human society, oppression, misogyny and terror come hard on its heels.)
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To: Huntress
Mark 14:36 "Abba, Father," he said, "everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will."

Many of us Proddies invoke that image in prayer and the following Hymn:

Arise, My Soul, Arise (Charles Wesley)

1. Arise, my soul, arise,
shake off your guilty fears;
The bleeding sacrifice,
in my behalf appears;
Before the throne my Surety stands,
Before the throne my Surety stands,
My name is written on His hands.

Chorus: Arise (arise), arise (arise), arise
Arise, my soul, arise.
Arise (arise), arise (arise), arise
Arise, my soul, arise.
Shake off your guilty fears and rise

2. He ever lives above,
for me to intercede;
His all redeeming love,
His precious blood, to plead;
His blood atoned for every race,
His blood atoned for every race,
And sprinkles now the throne of grace.

3. Five bleeding wounds He bears;
received on Calvary;
They pour effectual prayers;
they strongly plead for me:
"Forgive him, O forgive," they cry,
"Forgive him, O forgive," they cry,
"Nor let that ransomed sinner die!"

4. The Father hears Him pray,
His dear anointed One;
He cannot turn away
the presence of His Son;
The Spirit answers to the blood,
The Spirit answers to the blood
And tells me I am born of God.

5. My God is reconciled;
His pardoning voice I hear;
He owns me for His child;
I can no longer fear
With confidence I now draw nigh,
With confidence I now draw nigh,
And "Father, Abba, Father," cry.

57 posted on 11/29/2004 1:57:32 AM PST by Gamecock (I'm Good Enough, I'm Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like Me)
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To: texson66
Allah is the name of one of the many pre-mohammed idols...

Allah means God. It is not a name. So they call their evil notion of God, but they have a false concept of God.

No doubt the Muhammadan concept of Allah owes something to the pre-Islamic Meccan cult of Jahilia. It is a false concept of Allah. But Allah is God.

Christians who speak Arabic call the real God, Allah. So do Jews spaeking Arabic. It's the word in that language since before the hideous Muhammadan concept was spawned.

58 posted on 11/29/2004 1:59:18 AM PST by Salman
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To: AskStPhilomena
Reality check:

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/

I wouldn't give that guy a lot of credibility, he's a Christian heretic. A member of an obscure sect, in other words he can't get his Christian theology correct much less some other religion. His lack of knowledge of history is pretty glaring.

I prefer my refutations from authentic Catholic sources. In The Great Heresies Hilaire Belloc lays out the true history of Islam.

As it is a Christian heresy the points of commonality enumerated in Vatican II are correct. That doesn't however make the religion itself correct, no more than any other heresy.

59 posted on 11/29/2004 3:08:32 AM PST by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
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To: AskStPhilomena

Msgr. Lefebvre was an "ecumaniac"?


60 posted on 11/29/2004 3:40:51 AM PST by gbcdoj ("I acknowledge everyone who is united with the See of Peter" - St. Jerome)
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