Posted on 11/28/2004 3:42:04 PM PST by AskStPhilomena
If you accept monotheism, the belief that there is only one God, you realize that Yahweh, The God of Israel, Abba Father, the God of Jesus Christ and Allah the God of Islam is the SAME God, since there is only one God. Judaism does not have God, Christianity does not have God, Islam does not have God. If the God in whom we believe IS God, then we do not have God. God has us!
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"More modernist psychobabble from a bishop in full communion with the Holy See."
Do any Catholics consider this man to possibly be not just confused or a wee bit mislead by psychobabble .. but instead could he be a wolf in sheep clothing? They do exist, wolves to exist, and they are mixed in with the sheep. Maybe he did not start out looking like and sounding like a wolf but became one slowly or suddenly?
Utah once permitted the beheading of convicted murderers and rapists. Apparently, no criminal ever selected that style of execution.
By this theory, there is a hellheaven for evildoers who do so by free will and desire. And, alternately there is a heavenhell for those who are to be truly punished for their evil deeds by going to the place they did not intend through their free willing actions. So by the application of the associative property of mathematics, AB = BA, would not a hellheaven = a heavenhell?
BTW....</sarcasm> see previous post.
Jesus is God and the moslems deny this, therefore they cannot claim to be in his service. They are killing the faithful in Jesus Christ, and that is not following the golden rule or the ten commandments.
This is hogwash!
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The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.Since in the course of centuries not a few quarrels and hostilities have arisen between Christians and Moslems, this sacred synod urges all to forget the past and to work sincerely for mutual understanding and to preserve as well as to promote together for the benefit of all mankind social justice and moral welfare, as well as peace and freedom.
5. Cf St. Gregory VII, letter XXI to Anzir (Nacir), King of Mauritania (Pl. 148, col. 450f.)
That is correct. 'Abba' is in fact Aramaic, and a little less formal than the Hebrew equivalent 'Av'. 'Abba' is used by Jews of many backgrounds like many use the term 'papa'.
I beg your pardon, sir! On this forum I live in a mellow subroutine...
NO -I don't.
Nor do I buy an argument that presupposes we know more of God than what is divinely revealed.
The true God is Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Muslims reject this. Therefore the 'god' they worship is a false god, and we all know what false gods really are don't we?.
For the early Church, Yahweh was Christ before his birth from a vrigin. And for many Christians, it makes no sense to talk of the One God without at the some time talking of the Triune God--Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Christianity isn't Unitarianism. The God of Christianity is not the God of Islam.
Judging by their fruit, it seems logical to come to the conclusion that muslims worship the god of destruction. Greek Apollyon, Hebrew Abaddon... those are much closer in nature to this muslim diety called allah. From the bottomless pit no less. I'd say it's a match.
Thanks! I thought I had heard correctly about the use of "Abba." Please tell me, in Judaism is it considered appropriate to use Abba when referring to God? My guess would be not.
A church without room for all is empty
That may sound overly harsh. Certainly Catholics do not head to church to fulfill some racist agenda. Quite the contrary. But as Braxton points out, the church of today is, in significant ways, a product of racist presumptions. From our art and iconography to the cultural presumptions whites make about worship styles, the pressure builds behind Braxton's haunting question: "Who would want to join a faith in which all the spiritual `personalities' are visualized to look like the very people who enslaved and oppressed them?"
A church without room for allah is empty --hooray for diversity at all costs!
/sarcasm off
Bishop Braxton is less than thoughtful and certainly ignorant of Christian doctrine.
Allah is the name of one of the many pre-mohammed idols that were kept in Medina (I think). Mohammed picked it to be his one "true" god. It turns out allah was some sort of moon god before mohammed but its still lingers on....remember all the crescent moons in arab flags....there you go
In private prayers, an informal style can certainly be used (such as a child might talk to his father), but 'abba' seems TOO informal to my ear, and it has no precedence in ancient Jewish usage (by contrast with something like 'aveenu she'bashamayeem' - 'our Father in heaven').
The term is not used in public prayers.
A modernist priest once told me that because God is infinite - God is in hell and hell is in God.
According to this modernist wacko, to think otherwise is to deny the infinity of God.
Muslims do indeed worship god - but a false god, not the True God Whom Catholics worship.
The Vatican 2 teaching that "muslims together with us worship one, merciful God" is nothing but ecumaniac nonsense.
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