Posted on 08/06/2004 7:01:39 PM PDT by ahadams2
MISSOURI: Gay marriage ban approved by voters, nixed by Episcopal bishop
News Analysis
By David W. Virtue
Voters in Missouri have given a resounding thumbs up to an amendment (2) to the state constitution banning gay marriage. By doing so they served notice that similar proposed bans in other states could be difficult to defeat.
The Missouri Constitution will now state that "to be valid and recognized in this state a marriage shall exist only between a man and a woman." The vote was over 70% in favor. The Christian voters turned out in record numbers, said a Virtuosity subscriber.
Vicky Hartzler, a spokeswoman for the Coalition to Protect Marriage in Missouri. "This is a message of the heart, and here in the Heartland, we value marriage. I'm very gratified and encouraged and thankful that the people of this state understand our current policy's a wise public policy and they want to see it protected from a legal challenge," she said.
The wide margin is especially noteworthy given that the Democrats outnumbered the Republicans at the polls Tuesday, as a result of the hotly contested Democratic gubernatorial primary, opined the Post-Dispatch.
In an ironic twist, pro-gay rights forces spent nearly $400,000 in donations, most of it gathered through house parties in St. Louis and Kansas City while supporters of the gay marriage ban raised little less than $10,000 -- relying instead on dozens of church congregations to carry the message via newsletters and announcements from the pulpit.
But the Episcopal Bishop of Missouri, George Wayne Smith urged voters to vote against Amendment 2 in an Op-Ed article in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, saying it would continue to marginalize gays and lesbians and make them unwelcome in their neighborhoods. "I ask you with equal fervor to eschew hatred."
He wrote: "The body politic receives no good fortune in the opportunity to cast a vote on this divisive issue. Human sexuality has become a wedge issue in American society, used deftly at times by those on both sides of the issue. Forcing a "yes" or "no" vote divides even further an already polarized electorate. I write as someone whose Church has faced divisions in the aftermath of a vote on human sexuality one year ago. I am not eager to vote one more time on this matter, but I am even less eager to give into the power of a wedge issue.
"Second, there is the witness from gay and lesbian persons in our communities, and from gay and lesbian believers in my own Church. The prospect of Amendment 2 leaves them with an ill foreboding. It gives them a message of unwelcome in their own neighborhoods. It makes them feel marginally less safe; some even feel considerably less safe."
Smith said they hear that the Amendment is supposed somehow to protect marriage; they know, however, that it is really about them.
Bishop Smith has it all wrong. The notion that gay safety or "hatred" is an issue, is a complete fiction.
There are gays in most every neighborhood in America and they live at peace with their neighbors.
It is as much a fiction as orthodox rabbis who screamed that Mel Gibson's movie "The Passion of the Christ" would result in violent anti-Semitic outbreaks in America and Jews being killed. It never happened.
It is as much a fiction that Episcopal sodomites constantly scream "they are trying to kill us," whenever some orthodox rector timidly stands up and says gay behavior is wrong and gets yelled at for being homophobic. It's a fiction. It has never happened. No one has ever tried to kill Louie Crew, or Otis Charles, or Gene Robinson or Kim Byham or Michael Hopkins.
It is the same fiction that led V. Gene Robinson and Frank Griswold to wear flak jackets at Robinson's consecration - the fear being that some right wing "fundamentalist" Episcopal rector was waiting in the bleachers with a high-powered rifle to kill them. It never happened. It was a fiction. In fact in three known cases, orthodox priests including a Nigerian priest was attacked by pro-sodomite gangs following the consecration.
No. All the citizens of the State of Missouri wanted to do was say something that is as old as Western Civilization itself, and that is that marriage shall be confined to a man and a woman, no exceptions.
The feel-your-pain nonsense of Bishop Smith, based on absolutely no scientific or empirical evidence is precisely why the Episcopal Church is in trouble.
And it is why the bishop has one parish in his diocese, The Church of the Good Shepherd with its feisty Evangelical rector the Rev. Paul Walter, willing to go all the way to the Supreme Court of the United States to test the Dennis Canon, to keep his people and property from his revisionist clutches. He and his parish eschew the Robinson consecration and same-sex blessings.
Now that the people of the state have spoken, let's hope the local courts have the good sense, to heed the priest's pleas, "to go in peace to love and serve the Lord."
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Ping.
"saying it would continue to marginalize gays and lesbians and make them unwelcome in their neighborhoods."
Okay, first of all, the amendment does nothing of the sort. Second of all, as a Bishop, I would expect that he has read the bible, which is very clear on homosexuality, and certainly is against a homosexual relationship being considered a marriage.
what has happened to the episcopal church? How can a church say that homosexuality is okay? How can a church say that a homosexual relationship can be a marriage? Have these "clergy" read the bible?
The mainline liberal churches are tanking. No one is following THEIR counsel. What is of interest is even liberal Democrats support man-woman marriage. In a lot states this fall, many of the same people who will pull the lever for Kerry will cross lines to pull the lever to protect marriage. Its not a party or ideological issue with ordinary Americans.
"many of the same people who will pull the lever for Kerry will cross lines to pull the lever to protect marriage."
Yep. Black voters are more likely to support Protect Marriage Amendments than White voters are.
those wacky episcopalians. they are always up with some crazy scheme.
the bible is pretty clear on homosexuals and on marriage, though a bit vague on homosexual marriages...because who the heck would have thought it would ever come up.
It has been taken over by gay Unitarian activists who think that the Anglican liturgy is pretty cool and possibly even artsy. They get all of the pomp and an "anything goes" theology.
Any more questions?
actually only the two conservative (and smallest) Episcopal Seminaries even require courses in the Bible for graduation...of course none of the apostate ecusa bishops will allow graduates of those two seminaries into their dioceses....
1:1 Jude, a slave of Jesus Christ and a brother of James, To the called [ones], having been sanctified by God the Father and having been kept in Jesus Christ.
1:2 May mercy and peace and love be multiplied to you*!
1:3 Beloved, making all diligence [or, while I was making every effort] to be writing to you* concerning the common salvation, I had necessity to write to you* urging [you*] to be contending earnestly for the faith having been handed down once for all [time] to the holy ones [or, saints].
1:4 For certain people wormed their way in, the ones having been marked out long ago for this judgment, godless [ones], perverting the grace of our God into flagrant sexual immorality and denying our only Master, God, and LordJesus Christ [or, the only Master God and our Lord Jesus Christ].
1:5 But I want to remind you*, _you*_ knowing this once for all, that the Lord having saved [or, delivered] a people out of [the] land of Egypt, afterward destroyed the ones not having believed.
1:9 But Michael the archangel, when contending with the Devil, he was arguing about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous judgment, _but_ he said, May [the] Lord rebuke you!
1:10 But these indeed slander as many [things] as they do not know [or, understand], but as many [things] as they understand by natural instinct (like the irrational animals), by these they are destroyed [or, corrupted].
1:11 How horrible it will be to them! Because they traveled in [fig., followed] the way of Cain, and for pay they plunged into the deception of Balaam, and they perished in the rebellion of Korah.
1:12 These are hidden rocks in the sea [fig., hidden dangers] in your* love-feasts [fig., fellowship meals], feasting together without fear, shepherding [fig., caring only for] themselves, clouds without water, being carried along by winds, late autumn [i.e., harvest season] trees without fruit, twice having died, having been uprooted,
1:13 wild waves of [the] sea, splashing up their own shames like foam, wandering stars [fig., stars out of their orbits], for whom the thick gloom of the darkness [fig., the gloomy hell] has been reserved into [the] age [fig., forever].
1:14 Now Enoch, [in] the seventh [generation] from Adam, also prophesied about these [people], saying, Look! [The] Lord came with countless thousands of His holy ones,
1:15 to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly ones among them concerning all their ungodly deeds which they committed in an ungodly way, and concerning all the harsh [words] which ungodly sinners spoke against Him.
1:16 .These are grumblers, complainers, going [fig., living] according to their lusts, and their mouth speaks swollen [fig., pompous] [words], admiring faces [fig., flattering people] for the sake of [gaining] an advantage.
1:17 But _you*_, beloved, remember the words, the ones having been spoken previously by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ,
1:18 that they were saying to you*, that in [the] last time there will be scoffers, going [fig., living] according to their own ungodly lusts.
1:19 These are the ones causing divisions, worldly, not having [the] Spirit.
1:20 But _you*_, beloved, building yourselves up in your* most holy faith, praying in [the] Holy Spirit,
1:21 keep yourselves in [the] love of God, waiting for [or, expecting] the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life.
1:22 And be having mercy on some, making a distinction [between persons],
1:23 but others be saving with fear, snatching [them] out of a fire, hating even the tunic [or, garment] having been polluted [or, defiled] by the flesh.
1:24 Now to the One being able to keep them from stumbling and to make [you*] stand in the presence of His glory unblemished [or, blameless], with great happiness,
1:25 To [the] only wise God our Savior, [be] glory and majesty, dominion and authority, both now and to all the ages [fig., forevermore]! So be it!
This is no man of God, but a clever propagandist. One of the ten basic rules of propaganda is to set your stage in the opening sentence of a statement.
Another basic is the use of "buzz words" to immediately evoke negative images....."hate" and "hatred" being among them.
Leni
Post modern biblical interpretation allows for creative interpretation of the bible. It can't be taken (according to the ECUSA) as a truth since it is biased, primitive, judgemental and OLD. Read up on Bishop Spongs beliefs - they're plastered all over the internet. No one stood up to him - the ECUSA is a hollow log - rotting from the inside our.
The problem for the "freak-show-on-wheels" is not the result, but the resounding success of the "family corner"
If democracy matters one whit, abide by the vote; if not, deal with 1861-65 all over again (and no, Je$$e and Al $harpton, this is not about "black" people). God bless the electoral college, that doesn't allow the "wee" states to be ruled by the "big guys"...
They voted for The Marriage Amendment with the following percentages:
Reynolds 85% Yes
Shannon 86% Yes
Ripley 89% Yes
I will take living in the country over city living any day.
Seems to me its a pretty strict commandment not to lie with a man as one would with a woman. So I take issue with you saying it's not logical to cite it. By the way... if 82 is your birth year, we're the same age, :)
Nice to see other young freepers.
Looking for a theologically bankrupt phony religion? Try these heretical cretins
CarGrrl82 wrote "As for the NT, no one saw it saying what so many say it says until recent times. Funny that."
In order to have your statement taken seriously, please provide historical examples of theologians who disputed the clear ban on homosexual activity (among other things) in 1 Cor 6: 9-11 viz:
"9Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God."
Two or three major names - say one of the Early Church Fathers and one or two Reformation/post-Reformation era theologians, all of whom support your position, should suffice to prove the validity of your assertion.
the ecusa heirarchy in this state (MO) are all tied into the 'rat machines - no chance of getting anything effective done to them legally.
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