Posted on 05/29/2004 2:17:57 PM PDT by NYer
5 Arguments for Priestly Celibacy
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT
This article originally appeared in the CRISIS Magazine e-Letter.
Mary Ramerman
Priestess in the Old Catholic Church
The ordination of women to the priesthood is not a "novelty", but a development which is in perfect continuity with the living tradition that comes to us from Christ and the apostles (Galatians 3:26-28). It is consistent with the "signs of the times", and confirmed by the "sense of the faithful".
Currently, the following churches offer women an open path toward the ordained priesthood:
+ Numerous "Independent Catholic Churches"
+ Many "Old Catholic Churches"
+ Many jurisdictions of the "Lutheran Federation"
+ Several provinces of the "Anglican Communion"
Mary Magdalene the Apostle Catholic Website
(MY apologies for not including a "barf" alert!)
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The author's knowledge of Scripture is depressing. The scripture dealing with marraige and church leadership is found in 1 Tim 3, (repeated in Titus) where an elder (church leader) is required to be the husband of one wife. But, since scripture doesn't matter, let them continue in their error.
Say no more! You have chosen the wrong forum in which to post anything with regard to the Future Church organization. The catholics here are loyal to The Magisterium and will eat you alive!
Matthew 12:30
He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.
2 John 1:9-11
Any one who goes ahead and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God; he who abides in the doctrine has both the Father and the Son. If any one comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into the house or give him any greeting; for he who greets him shares his wicked work.
Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are fornication, uncleanness, immodesty, luxury, Idolatry, witchcrafts [wicca], enmities, contentions, emulations, wraths, quarrels, dissensions, sects, Envies, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like. Of the which I foretell you, as I have foretold to you, that they who do such things shall not obtain the kingdom of God.
Matthew 18:15-17
If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.
Solemn Warning! The following organizations are those who claim to be Catholic but dissent from the Truth as handed down from Jesus Christ, Second Person of the Most Blessed Trinity, the Divine Word, to His Apostles and their successors, the Pope and the Magisterium. These organizations are truly following in the footsteps of JUDAS - Just Undermine Doctrine And Spirituality. While they claim to be Catholic, they promote a man-made religion of unfettered pro-sin "choice" by the individual answerable to no one but himself (herself for the feminist reader), while promoting the spirituality of pagans. We all know what the serpent said to Eve; "you shall be as Gods" (Genesis 3:5).
At the same time, their mission statements and goals are disguised in shrewd words, usually in terms of "rights," "equality" and "social justice." But the Bible warns us of such a state of affairs; "I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves [clergy] will arise men speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them. Therefore be alert" (Acts 20:29-31). "And what I do I will continue to do, in order to undermine the claim of those who would like to claim that in their boasted mission they work on the same terms as we do. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is not strange if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds" (2 Corinthians 11:12-15). "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit" (Matthew 7:15-18).
FutureChurch A regional parish-based coalition seeking to address the priest shortage. FutureChurch claims the remedy is the ordination of married men and women. FutureChurch engages in educational presentations to parishes, grass-roots organizations, and the media. Its current project is a nationally-promoted dialogue on an "inclusive priesthood." Member of Catholic Organizations for Renewal.
Gee, NYer, I don't know what I could possibly ad to this, LOL!
(Dissenters...the OTHER white meat.)
Wow! Future Church! LOL!
Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church's divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church's faithful.
As we have promised above to make some mention of Paphnutius and Spyridon, it is time to speak of them here. Paphnutius then was bishop of one of the cities in Upper Thebes: he was a man so favored divinely that extraordinary miracles were done by him. In the time of the persecution he had been deprived of one of his eyes. The emperor honored this man exceedingly, and often sent for him to the place, and kissed the part where the eye had been torn out. So great devoutness characterized the emperor Constantine. Let this single fact respecting Paphnutius suffice: I shall now explain another thing which came to pass in consequence of his advice, both for the good of the Church and the honor of the clergy. It seemed fit to the bishops to introduce a new law into the Church, that those who were in holy orders, I speak of bishops, presbyters, and deacons, should have no conjugal intercourse with the wives whom they had married while still hymen. Now when discussion on this matter was impending, Paphnutius having arisen in the midst of the assembly of bishops, earnestly entreated them not to impose so heavy a yoke on the ministers of religion: asserting that `marriage itself is honorable, and the bed undefiled'; urging before God that they ought not to injure the Church by too stringent restrictions. `For all men,' said he, `cannot bear the practice of rigid continence; neither perhaps would the chastity of the wife of each be preserved': and he termed the intercourse of a man with his lawful wife chastity. It would be sufficient, he thought, that such as had previously entered on their sacred calling should abjure matrimony, according to the ancient tradition of the Church: but that none should be separated from her to whom, while yet unordained, he had been united. And these sentiments he expressed, although himself without experience of marriage, and, to speak plainly, without ever having known a woman: for from a boy he had been brought up in a monastery, and was specially renowned above all men for his chastity. The whole assembly of the clergy assented to the reasoning of Paphnutius: wherefore they silenced all further debate on this point, leaving it to the discretion of those who were husbands to exercise abstinence if they so wished in reference to their wives. Thus much concerning Paphnutius. (Socrates Scholasticus, Ecclesiastical History, I, XI)
First let me say that tour response allows the churche leader to be married, since he can have one wife. But, Your interpretation doesn't fit the Greek. "Must be" refers to a requirement. If God wanted to say the elder couldn't have more than one wife, He would have stated it that way. He didn't.
"..must be the husband.."
Just great. We probably have a Cleveland based heretic on our hands.
Kyrie eleison
Take heed to yourselves and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the Church of God which he hath purchased with his own blood.
So, what you are saying is that the church can overrule God's commandments, and allow gay priests, divorced popes, and murder for hire. There is no limit based on your premise. What a crock!
The church has the authority granted, by God, to rule within the limits of His commandments. 1 Tim 3 lays out some of those commandments. You have negated the commands of God, just as the Pharisees did.
I said nothing of the sort. It is clear that the merely disciplinary enactments of the apostles can be changed by their successors to whom that same apostolic power was given, when it becomes necessary due to the conditions of the time. This has nothing to do with overthrowing the apostolic doctrine (2 Thess 2:14).
Surely you wouldn't claim that such matters as the precise arrangement of the Eucharistic liturgy (1 Cor 11:34) or praying in the orans posture (1 Tim 2:8) are actually of divine law? Why not cite Scripture to prove that this is so? I find nothing in the inspired writings which states that the disciplinary enactments of the holy Apostles cannot be annulled by their successors, but only that we ought to:
stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
You have negated the commands of God, just as the Pharisees did.
1 Then came to him from Jerusalem scribes and Pharisees, saying:
2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the ancients? For they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
3 But he answering, said to them: Why do you also transgress the commandment of God for your tradition? For God said:
4 Honour thy father and mother: And: He that shall curse father or mother, let him die the death.
5 But you say: Whosoever shall say to father or mother, The gift whatsoever proceedeth from me, shall profit thee.
6 And he shall not honour his father or his mother: and you have made void the commandment of God for your tradition.
7 Hypocrites, well hath Isaias prophesied of you, saying:
8 This people honoureth me with their lips: but their heart is far from me.
9 And in vain do they worship me, teaching doctrines and commandments of men.
Jesus is talking about the negation of the Ten Commandments - a bit different than a disciplinary injunction of St. Paul to SS. Timothy and Titus. Why don't you find the Scripture which states that these precepts are applicable to the Church for all times in all places? St. Paul addresses them only to these two bishops.
Good Bye dissenter!
I was right on th4e other thread when I said FutureChurch. LOL!
Go away, troll.
Future Church? There's your problem. Those people are nuts.
>>Just great. We probably have a Cleveland based heretic on our hands.<<
Friends of Pilla are not hard to come by in Cleveland!
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