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1 posted on 05/29/2004 2:17:57 PM PDT by NYer
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Consider the alternative ...


Mary Ramerman
Priestess in the Old Catholic Church

Current Options

The ordination of women to the priesthood is not a "novelty", but a development which is in perfect continuity with the living tradition that comes to us from Christ and the apostles (Galatians 3:26-28). It is consistent with the "signs of the times", and confirmed by the "sense of the faithful".

Currently, the following churches offer women an open path toward the ordained priesthood:

+ Numerous "Independent Catholic Churches"
+ Many "Old Catholic Churches"
+ Many jurisdictions of the "Lutheran Federation"
+ Several provinces of the "Anglican Communion"

Mary Magdalene the Apostle Catholic Website

(MY apologies for not including a "barf" alert!)

2 posted on 05/29/2004 2:30:29 PM PDT by NYer (Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light! (2Cor 11:14))
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Celibacy is scriptural.

The author's knowledge of Scripture is depressing. The scripture dealing with marraige and church leadership is found in 1 Tim 3, (repeated in Titus) where an elder (church leader) is required to be the husband of one wife. But, since scripture doesn't matter, let them continue in their error.

4 posted on 05/29/2004 2:56:07 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: NYer
Reality calls for a change in outmoded rules. The State of Massachusetts formerly required all schoolteachers to be unmarried women. No more.
With regard to the Roman Catholic Church, consider the following:
At the present time, half of all the parishes in the world do not have a resident priest. Worldwide in 2002, there were only 405,058 priests (a decrease of nine from the previous year) to serve 1.07 billion Catholics (an increase of eleven million from 2001).
During Pope John Paul II’s papacy, the number of priests in the world declined by 4% while the number of Catholics increased by 40% Currently we also have 3.7 million lay catechists, 783,000 religious women, and 143,745 lay missionaries serving the worldwide church. Many of these faithful ministers could serve as priests if ordination were open to them.
Source: Statement from the FutureChurch Leadership Councilhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1124386/posts
7 posted on 05/29/2004 3:38:34 PM PDT by tvn
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On this subject, here's the discussion of celibacy at the Council of Nicaea:
As we have promised above to make some mention of Paphnutius and Spyridon, it is time to speak of them here. Paphnutius then was bishop of one of the cities in Upper Thebes: he was a man so favored divinely that extraordinary miracles were done by him. In the time of the persecution he had been deprived of one of his eyes. The emperor honored this man exceedingly, and often sent for him to the place, and kissed the part where the eye had been torn out. So great devoutness characterized the emperor Constantine. Let this single fact respecting Paphnutius suffice: I shall now explain another thing which came to pass in consequence of his advice, both for the good of the Church and the honor of the clergy. It seemed fit to the bishops to introduce a new law into the Church, that those who were in holy orders, I speak of bishops, presbyters, and deacons, should have no conjugal intercourse with the wives whom they had married while still hymen. Now when discussion on this matter was impending, Paphnutius having arisen in the midst of the assembly of bishops, earnestly entreated them not to impose so heavy a yoke on the ministers of religion: asserting that `marriage itself is honorable, and the bed undefiled'; urging before God that they ought not to injure the Church by too stringent restrictions. `For all men,' said he, `cannot bear the practice of rigid continence; neither perhaps would the chastity of the wife of each be preserved': and he termed the intercourse of a man with his lawful wife chastity. It would be sufficient, he thought, that such as had previously entered on their sacred calling should abjure matrimony, according to the ancient tradition of the Church: but that none should be separated from her to whom, while yet unordained, he had been united. And these sentiments he expressed, although himself without experience of marriage, and, to speak plainly, without ever having known a woman: for from a boy he had been brought up in a monastery, and was specially renowned above all men for his chastity. The whole assembly of the clergy assented to the reasoning of Paphnutius: wherefore they silenced all further debate on this point, leaving it to the discretion of those who were husbands to exercise abstinence if they so wished in reference to their wives. Thus much concerning Paphnutius. (Socrates Scholasticus, Ecclesiastical History, I, XI)

12 posted on 05/29/2004 5:12:44 PM PDT by gbcdoj
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"Are you free from a wife? Do not seek marriage. . . . Those who marry will have worldly troubles, and I would spare you that. . . . The unmarried man is anxious about the affairs of the Lord, how to please the Lord; but the married man is anxious about worldly affairs, how to please his wife, and his interests are divided" (7:27-34).

But why leave out verse 26?

1 Corinthians 7:26  I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be.

It seems obvious that there was some reason at that time that Paul would recommend celibacy. Celibacy is always an option but not a necessity.

27 posted on 06/01/2004 5:52:46 AM PDT by asformeandformyhouse (Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular.)
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