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To: gbcdoj
The Church has the authority to change the requirements...

So, what you are saying is that the church can overrule God's commandments, and allow gay priests, divorced popes, and murder for hire. There is no limit based on your premise. What a crock!

The church has the authority granted, by God, to rule within the limits of His commandments. 1 Tim 3 lays out some of those commandments. You have negated the commands of God, just as the Pharisees did.

16 posted on 05/29/2004 7:39:41 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: aimhigh
So, what you are saying is that the church can overrule God's commandments, and allow gay priests, divorced popes, and murder for hire. There is no limit based on your premise. What a crock!

I said nothing of the sort. It is clear that the merely disciplinary enactments of the apostles can be changed by their successors to whom that same apostolic power was given, when it becomes necessary due to the conditions of the time. This has nothing to do with overthrowing the apostolic doctrine (2 Thess 2:14).

Surely you wouldn't claim that such matters as the precise arrangement of the Eucharistic liturgy (1 Cor 11:34) or praying in the orans posture (1 Tim 2:8) are actually of divine law? Why not cite Scripture to prove that this is so? I find nothing in the inspired writings which states that the disciplinary enactments of the holy Apostles cannot be annulled by their successors, but only that we ought to:

stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

You have negated the commands of God, just as the Pharisees did.

1 Then came to him from Jerusalem scribes and Pharisees, saying:
2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the ancients? For they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
3 But he answering, said to them: Why do you also transgress the commandment of God for your tradition? For God said:
4 Honour thy father and mother: And: He that shall curse father or mother, let him die the death.
5 But you say: Whosoever shall say to father or mother, The gift whatsoever proceedeth from me, shall profit thee.
6 And he shall not honour his father or his mother: and you have made void the commandment of God for your tradition.
7 Hypocrites, well hath Isaias prophesied of you, saying:
8 This people honoureth me with their lips: but their heart is far from me.
9 And in vain do they worship me, teaching doctrines and commandments of men.

Jesus is talking about the negation of the Ten Commandments - a bit different than a disciplinary injunction of St. Paul to SS. Timothy and Titus. Why don't you find the Scripture which states that these precepts are applicable to the Church for all times in all places? St. Paul addresses them only to these two bishops.

17 posted on 05/29/2004 8:06:10 PM PDT by gbcdoj
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