ORTHODOX [Anglican] LEADER SAYS COMMUNION IS FINISHED IF ECUSA IS NOT DISCIPLINED

Virtuosity ^ | 24 April 2004 | David Virtue

[ahadams2]

ORTHODOX LEADER SAYS COMMUNION IS FINISHED IF ECUSA IS NOT DISCIPLINED

Special Report

By David W. Virtue

COLORADO SPRINGS (4/22/2004) An evangelical Episcopal leader who meets regularly with Global South Primates and bishops, says that unless the Lambeth (Eames) Commission calls for the public disciplining of the Episcopal Church and its Presiding Bishop Frank Griswold for his participation in the Robinson consecration, the Anglican Communion will not stay intact.

The Rev. Dr. Canon Bill Atwood, general secretary of EKKLESIA, an organization that interfaces orthodox ECUSA bishops with leaders of the worldwide Anglican Communion, said it was impossible to overstate the sickness of the church in the West, and that if there is no repentance by ECUSA's leader, there must be discipline for the communion to survive.

Speaking to several hundred Episcopalians at a three-day conference of the Anglican Communion Institute, an orthodox think tank made up of scholars and clergy based in Colorado Springs, the peripatetic leader said the makeup of the Anglican Communion was now "young, female, black on fire for Jesus Christ and located spiritually and geographically a million miles from the ECUSA."

"The leaders of the Anglican Global South that make up more than 55 million members of the Anglican Communion will never ever tolerate pansexual behavior and there are hundreds of Nigerian Anglicans ready to be deployed to the United States to convert Episcopalians to Jesus Christ," he said.

Atwood said the consecration of an openly homoerotic bishop to the episcopacy was the straw that broke the camel's back of Anglican comprehensiveness.

"No one in the ECUSA is paying the price that is approaching the price Global South Anglicans are paying for the sins of the Episcopal Church," he said.

Atwood said the power of the gospel in the Global South is one of tenacity and courage in the midst of diversity, whereas in the North it is one of arrogance and pluralism leading to fracture and disintegration.

"The Western churches have the tendency to emphasize expediency. Come as you are, stay as you are and let's celebrate with a party. The Global South says come as you are and be transformed by the power of the Holy Spirit."

Atwood said the Episcopal Church was being robbed of the message of the transforming power of Jesus Christ, and its Western leaders were leading people literally to hell with their message of inclusion and sexual diversity.

"The Global South leaders have decided that self-reliance is the only way they can now go, publicly declaring to Griswold, 'your money perish with you.'"

"The gospel is not for sale, and the Global South leaders are not going to take tainted money from the West, their consciences will not allow it," he said.

Atwood said the ECUSA leaders were fighting back, accusing Global South leaders "of grand-standing on money issues."

"This is nothing more than racism. The issues have to do with the gospel, Western revisionist bishops just don't get it."

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[ahadams2]

Ping.

[ken5050]

I could have told them that......THere isn only ONE solution....

SCHISM!!!!!

[mel]

But even if they were disciplined it would probably be no more than a slap on the hand. What kind of discipline can possibly stop this slide into secular humanism.

[Mark in the Old South]

There is another solution.

Swim the Tiber, return the the Tradition Latin Rite Roman Catholic Church.

God bless us everyone

[ahadams2]

something which might be effective would be to move ecusa to silent observer only status within the Anglican Communion; pending obvious public true remorse and repentance. Of course they will never repent, but once they've completely lost their leverage my guess is they'd simply turn their backs on the AC and walk away. I have no doubt that the ecusa leadership will remain apostate right up to the point where they've completely run out of money. From one perspective that's too bad, but on the other hand I woudl submit that the priority now is to excise the ecusa cancer from the AC. If that's done, it's only a matter of time before the heretics in Canada and the UK decide to follow where ecusa is going and leave the AC (with a lot of name calling) voluntarily.

[Irene Adler]

Check out the Mo. Synod Lutherans. Just a suggestion. Find a traditional, confessional parish near you by going to ReformationToday.tripod.com. Some of the parishes in the Synod are possibly not quite as doctrinally sound as others. Rather depends upon the pastor. This WEBsite gives good guidance.

[Irene Adler]

Check out the Mo. Synod Lutherans. Just a suggestion. Find a traditional, confessional parish near you by going to ReformationToday.tripod.com. Some of the parishes in the Synod are possibly not quite as doctrinally sound as others. Rather depends upon the pastor. This WEBsite gives good guidance.

[Irene Adler]

Sorry about double post.

[ahadams2]

Thanks for the suggestion, but my wife and I are firmly convinced God wants us to be Anglicans. Besides, I'm an old soldier and don't think it's right to give in to perverts, druggies, and new age wahoos - but that's just me....

[Eala]

the makeup of the Anglican Communion was now "young, female, black on fire for Jesus Christ and located spiritually and geographically a million miles from the ECUSA."

Methinks it has been that way for a long time, and LibreOuMort can comfirm that this was stated in our just-concluded APCK Diocesan Synod. (context forgotten, though)

[AdrianneTruett]

Oh, Mark, why not go further back? Swim the Bosporus! (It's becoming somewhat tempting to me, if I'd only find a congregation somewhere in-between Orthodox and Pentecostal...)

[AdrianneTruett]

I like that (silent observer, something like mass-semi-excommunication), but what do you think the chances are of anything like that happening? I'm getting more pessimistic day by day. I'm beginning to join with those hoping for a clean break, with the orthodox Anglicans on one side and ECUSA, the Archbishop, etc. on the other. I'm starting to think that's the only way.

[Mark in the Old South]

Because it is hard to go further back than Simon Peter. Unless you consider swimming the Jordan but that would make me Jewish and force me to reject IHS.

[AdrianneTruett]

Eh, they'd say the same thing :)

[ahadams2]

Do I think it's possible? yes! Especially now that the Global South Anglicans have openly broken with the apostates' money - which of course the apostates see as their real power. The reason I think it's possible is because both rowan the fuzzy and the folks on the eames commission now *know* beyond the shadow of a doubt that failure to discipline ecusa *will* result in permanent schism. Remember they are receiving a lot of pressure from elements within the UK, including but not limitted to the royal family, to maintain the integrity of the Anglican Communion. Although we've known this all along, it should now be very clear that any attempt to quibble (a la the previous eames commission on ordination of women) will be interpretted by Global South as a failure to act, thus also leading to schism. In other words rowan and eames are between a rock and a hard place (probably for the first time in either of their careers) so I guess we'll see whether they do the comfortable thing and destroy the Anglican Communion, or do the right thing and preserve it.

[r9etb]

there are hundreds of Nigerian Anglicans ready to be deployed to the United States to convert Episcopalians to Jesus Christ," he said

LOL! Does anybody besides me see the makings of a good e-mail scam?

[msdrby]

ping

[bonfire]

....raising my hand!!! I do! I do!

[mel]

I don't believe the Episcopal church can ever be saved. There are so many heretics in the church now, they will never give up. Even if they are disciplined, they may take a break, but they will never quit their revisionist ways.