The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles)

AP ^ | 3/24/01

[malakhi]

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.

Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams

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[Cvengr]

The position I have stated does not imply nor state anybody deserves to be in heaven.

[malakhi]

What I am saying is that since I can't find it supported anywhere in Scripture, it is not so.

How, then, do you interpret Deuteronomy 30:15-19?

To me, this passage explicitly shows God telling us we have a free choice.

[malakhi]

Yes. I even talked to the Rabbi. Gonna make an appt with him next week.

Keep me posted.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

you have no idea what dispensations and programs mean? do ya? hehe.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

freepmail

[malakhi]

I am aware of two "programs": the Noachide and the Sinaitic. ;o)

Freepmail back.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

bck at ya

[CindyDawg]

Morning, you two :')

[Invincibly Ignorant]

hey cindy

[RnMomof7]

The position I have stated does not imply nor state anybody deserves to be in heaven.
Infants, regardless of their names in the Book of Life, are considered to not yet be accountable for Divine good works, simply because they are not yet of age and accordingly, God is free to bless them with eternal life in heaven without encroaching upon His holiness, integrity, or righteousness.

The inference is that they deserve to be saved because they are not Judged , but found worthy due to their age or mental status. If an infant is worthy of salvation it is not by the grace or mercy of God, because they would not be judged.They simply deserve to be saved ...

You have said that God is FREE to "bless "them... not to give them mercy...bless them

Could God decide not to "bless " them"?

The non scriptural belief in the age of "accountability " makes God the debtor of the child.He owes them salvation based on something other than His mercy .

Before one can receive Mercy he must be judged guilty before the judge.. no judgment no mercy .

Can you give me scripture where the age of accountability is taught? Can you give me scripture that says all infants are written in the "Book of Life". That would mean salvation is their to lose, not Gods to give.

[RnMomof7]

I guess I just wondering what this seeming struggle between the Creator Christ and the creature Satan all means in the cosmic drama that Calvinists believe in ?

Calvinists are not dualists , there is no "competation" between God and Satan . God is sovereign over Satan .Satan can do nothing without the permission of God

Was it God's determinate will that Satan attempt to derail Christ from His course ?

Act 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

1Pe 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, [as] silver and gold, from your vain conversation [received] by tradition from your fathers;
1Pe 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pe 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

Happy Easter Quester and Harley

[OLD REGGIE]

And the earth was re-populated by..............?

mating???? :')

1st cousins???????????????????

[CindyDawg]

You don't think it happens? :')

[RnMomof7]

If my Christian friends believe in election by the foreknowledge of God , they have the same "problem"

That is God created the men He knew would deny him , and that would be judged guilty and sent to hell on the day of Judgment .

Is there a scripture that says Fairness is one of Gods attributes?

[malakhi]

Hi Cindy!

Well, at least we know what all the fuss was about last night.

[malakhi]

You don't think it happens? :')

I didn't know the ark came to rest on top of a mountain in the Ozarks. ;o)

[CindyDawg]

They had to come from somewhere lol. Some people's roots just run a little deeper, that's all? How do you think Adam and Eves kids multiplied?

[CindyDawg]

Yeah. I almost didn't reply to your post in case someone from Arkansas got offended. Sigh. I went back and read their posts. Funny stuff but they had it coming. They were taunting the RM. Maybe since things calm they thought nobody looking lol.

[OLD REGGIE]

But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. (Matthew 24:36)

This appears to me to raise a considerable question for Trinitarians. To be fair, some Bible Versions, KJV, DR, and others, use slightly different wording.

(KJV) But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Still Jesus does not claim that knowledge for Himself, only "my Father".

[malakhi]

Is there a scripture that says Fairness is one of Gods attributes?

I'll give you more than one.

The LORD rewards every man for his righteousness and his faithfulness (1 Samuel 26:23)

...then hear thou in heaven, and act, and judge thy servants, condemning the guilty by bringing his conduct upon his own head, and vindicating the righteous by rewarding him according to his righteousness. (1 Kings 8:32)

O great and mighty God whose name is the LORD of hosts,
great in counsel and mighty in deed; whose eyes are open to all the ways of men, rewarding every man according to his ways and according to the fruit of his doings (Jeremiah 32:18-19)

And to be fair ;o), I'll give you one from the Christian scriptures too.

And if you invoke as Father him who judges each one impartially according to his deeds... (1 Peter 1:17)