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Posted on 03/10/2004 9:37:27 PM PST by malakhi
Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
Only those who can comprhend be accountable!
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Rest , the bible says nothing like that Christians do not believe the sin in Eden was " falling up".
Just as we are all born with the curse of death and the pains of childbirth and having to work land that yields thistles.
we are also born with the same nature that Adam had after he sinned..we are now in the image of Adam .
We look just like Adam to God from the moment of our conception . It is not until we put on Christ that we are seen as the sons of God .
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You can choose to hear these words or shut them out!
For me I know they are true!
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Moro. 8: 5-26
5 For, if I have learned the truth, there have been disputations among you concerning the baptism of your little children.
6 And now, my son, I desire that ye should labor diligently, that this gross error should be removed from among you; for, for this intent I have written this epistle.
7 For immediately after I had learned these things of you I inquired of the Lord concerning the matter. And the word of the Lord came to me by the power of the Holy Ghost, saying:
8 Listen to the words of Christ, your Redeemer, your Lord and your God. Behold, I came into the world not to call the righteous but sinners to repentance; the whole need no physician, but they that are sick; wherefore, little children are whole, for they are not capable of committing sin; wherefore the curse of Adam is taken from them in me, that it hath no power over them; and the law of circumcision is done away in me.
9 And after this manner did the Holy Ghost manifest the word of God unto me; wherefore, my beloved son, I know that it is solemn mockery before God, that ye should baptize little children.
10 Behold I say unto you that this thing shall ye teachrepentance and baptism unto those who are accountable and capable of committing sin; yea, teach parents that they must repent and be baptized, and humble themselves as their little children, and they shall all be saved with their little children.
11 And their little children need no repentance, neither baptism. Behold, baptism is unto repentance to the fulfilling the commandments unto the remission of sins.
12 But little children are alive in Christ, even from the foundation of the world; if not so, God is a partial God, and also a changeable God, and a respecter to persons; for how many little children have died without baptism!
13 Wherefore, if little children could not be saved without baptism, these must have gone to an endless hell.
14 Behold I say unto you, that he that supposeth that little children need baptism is in the gall of bitterness and in the bonds of iniquity; for he hath neither faith, hope, nor charity; wherefore, should he be cut off while in the thought, he must go down to hell.
15 For awful is the wickedness to suppose that God saveth one child because of baptism, and the other must perish because he hath no baptism.
16 Wo be unto them that shall pervert the ways of the Lord after this manner, for they shall perish except they repent. Behold, I speak with boldness, having authority from God; and I fear not what man can do; for perfect love casteth out all fear.
17 And I am filled with charity, which is everlasting love; wherefore, all children are alike unto me; wherefore, I love little children with a perfect love; and they are all alike and partakers of salvation.
18 For I know that God is not a partial God, neither a changeable being; but he is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity.
19 Little children cannot repent; wherefore, it is awful wickedness to deny the pure mercies of God unto them, for they are all alive in him because of his mercy.
20 And he that saith that little children need baptism denieth the mercies of Christ, and setteth at naught the atonement of him and the power of his redemption.
21 Wo unto such, for they are in danger of death, hell, and an endless torment. I speak it boldly; God hath commanded me. Listen unto them and give heed, or they stand against you at the judgment-seat of Christ.
22 For behold that all little children are alive in Christ, and also all they that are without the law. For the power of redemption cometh on all them that have no law; wherefore, he that is not condemned, or he that is under no condemnation, cannot repent; and unto such baptism availeth nothing
23 But it is mockery before God, denying the mercies of Christ, and the power of his Holy Spirit, and putting trust in dead works.
24 Behold, my son, this thing ought not to be; for repentance is unto them that are under condemnation and under the curse of a broken law.
25 And the first fruits of repentance is baptism; and baptism cometh by faith unto the fulfilling the commandments; and the fulfilling the commandments bringeth remission of sins;
26 And the remission of sins bringeth meekness, and lowliness of heart; and because of meekness and lowliness of heart cometh the visitation of the Holy Ghost, which Comforter filleth with hope and perfect love, which love endureth by diligence unto prayer, until the end shall come, when all the saints shall dwell with God.
Oh I do, I do. ;o)
Oh, I understand, all right. I just disagree with you.
Why didn't he compel Saul? Certainly He could have done so.
It seems many consider that election = some fate worse than death..God chose you that is really awful . How dare He decide who He wants to adopt. Does he think He has free will or something? :>)
Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will [have mercy], and whom he will he hardeneth.
Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed [it], Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Rom 9:22 [What] if God, willing to shew [his] wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
God is a parent that will keep His children from falling into the eternal pit , not because they deserve it, but because He is merciful. The unsaved are not his children contrary to popular pop religion Cindy.
So tomorrow as we celebrate the Resurrection realize how blessed you are that for no reason in yourself , God chose to adopt you as His own and make you His child . If that is not humbling I do not know what is .
You were? That's not how your sentences read...
"God owes us nothing and we all need to (be) on our knees in gratitude. It's just a free will thing. Did he want mind control or for His children to love Him and come to him willingly. It takes a very strong and secure person to let go knowing that he will have loses and that people will make mistakes with growth..."
If you want to change what you wrote, fine by me.
But I do agree that God expects us to be strong and secure...and honest.
Oh, I don't know. Perhaps because
God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him (Genesis 1:27)
Either He is God or He is not .
I'll ask you the same question I've asked others. Is the granting of free will to man not an act of God's sovereign power?
Can you give me another scripture where God says He lays aside His foreknowledge?
But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. (Matthew 24:36)
Can God choose not to be God?
who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross. (Philemon 2:6-8)
Rather, some don't see free will and God's sovereignty as being mutually exclusive.
Is God incapable of empowering man with a truly free will?
D'oh!
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