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Posted on 03/10/2004 9:37:27 PM PST by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
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I thought you said that being a sinner is what destined you to He11. Are you differentiating "rejecting Jesus" from "being a sinner"?
Is it "rejecting Jesus" or failing to accept Him that is the crux?
To summarize - please reconcile "With that being the case, no action on my part has damned me to Hell, because I was damned to Hell from the womb"
with "If they are not given the choice, then they cannot be condemned for rejecting Jesus."
Care to reconcile those other two statements? They were both made by people I assume you agree with?
Are Yehoshua and Paul wrong, and Johnny is right?
LOL
SD
Just as the wages/reward of sin is death, so do the wages/reward of righteousness bring eternal life.
Proverbs 12:28
In the way of righteousness is life: and in the pathway thereof there is no death.
righteousness and its root in Greek
Lexicon Greek 1343 [ from the root of 1342]
dikaiosune {dik-ah-yos-oo'-nay}
1) in a broad sense: state of him who is as he ought to be, righteousness, the condition acceptable to God
a) the doctrine concerning the way in which man may attain a state approved of God
b) integrity, virtue, purity of life, rightness, correctness of thinking feeling, and acting
2) in a narrower sense, justice or the virtue which gives each his due
Lexicon Greek 1342 dikaios {dik'-ah-yos}
1) righteous, observing divine laws
a) in a wide sense, upright, righteous, virtuous, keeping the commands of God
1) of those who seem to themselves to be righteous, who pride themselves to be righteous, who pride themselves in their virtues, whether real or imagined
2) innocent, faultless, guiltless
3) used of him whose way of thinking, feeling, and acting is wholly conformed to the will of God, and who therefore needs no rectification in the heart or life
a) only Christ truly
4) approved of or acceptable of God
b) in a narrower sense, rendering to each his due and that in a judicial sense, passing just judgment on others, whether expressed in words or shown by the manner of dealing with them
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
I had a feeling. :-)
I believe we are all born sinners and the wages of sin is death. I believe God has given us a way to go from death into life in the form of Jesus Christ. From being clothed in sin, to being clothed in Righteousness. Those who reject Christ have rejected life and have guaranteed themselves eternal damnation.
Sounds about right to me. The only change I would make is that we are all born with the stain of Adam's sin. That we are "predisposed" to sin. We have a "bent", a "concupiscence", a "sin that dwells within me that is not MY sin" as Paul would say.
We certainly DO sin almost immediately thereafter... but...
The rest of it was fine. Partial credit for showing your work.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
wages from the Greek
3800 opsonion op-so'-nee-on
1) a soldier's pay, allowance
a) that part of the soldier's support given in place of pay [i.e. rations] and the money in which he is paid
2) metaph. wages: hire or pay of sin
Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 4 AV - wage 3, charges 1; 4
2 Peter 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam [the son] of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
wages from the Greek
3408 misthos mis-thos'
1) dues paid for work
a) wages, hire
2) reward: used of the fruit naturally resulting from toils and endeavours
a) in both senses, rewards and punishments
b) of the rewards which God bestows, or will bestow, upon good deeds and endeavours
c) of punishments
Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 29 AV - reward 24, hire 3, wages 2; 29
I can think of at least one. :-)
For you and me? No.
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