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Baptist Theologian Says Non-Catholic Believers Should Honor Mary
Agape Press ^ | December 24, 2003 | Jim Brown

Posted on 12/28/2003 2:28:16 PM PST by NYer

(AgapePress) - A Southern Baptist theologian says he wrote an article in Christianity Today on the Virgin Mary in hopes of encouraging evangelical Christians and other Protestants to pay more attention to her.

Dr. Timothy George is dean of Beeson Divinity School at Samford University in Birmingham, Alabama. As a biblical scholar and educator, as well as a senior editor for Christianity Today magazine, George has written a number of books and articles on religious subjects, and has authored a doctrinal study for the Southern Baptist Convention.

In his recent Christianity Today article titled "The Blessed Evangelical Mary," George notes that Evangelicals and Protestants have reacted so negatively in the past to Catholic teaching on Mary that many of these non-Catholic Christians may have ignored constructive material about the mother of Jesus in the Bible.

George says he was prompted to write the article based on conversations he has had with Roman Catholics. "They give a great deal of devotion to Mary that we Evangelicals and Protestants feel is not appropriate biblically or can't be justified," the theologian says. "And yet, as you can see from how I developed the article, I feel there is a proper biblical way of honoring Mary -- and maybe we've neglected that."

George feels Mary was a great example of Christian discipleship and obedience, who should be praised for her faithfulness. He says non-Catholic Christians should not hesitate to lift up the "blessed virgin" this Christmas, and in general.

"Mary is a model believer," George says, noting that the mother of Jesus believed the Word of God when it came to her, even as she was being prepared by the Holy Spirit to give birth to the Messiah.

"She believed the word of the angel and said 'Let it be unto me according to your word.' So she submitted to the will of God in great humility," George says.

The Southern Baptist scholar and author, who has been involved for a number of years in a project called Evangelicals and Catholics Together, says reaction to his article has been mostly positive. However, he notes that he has received some negative letters from former Catholics who have become Protestants.


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To: DManA
More like honor like this

John 26: When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! 27: Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

21 posted on 12/28/2003 6:00:01 PM PST by NeoCaveman (Venti adoremus)
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To: NYer
Does it not stand to reason that God would choose to be born of a woman 'conceived without sin'.

No. He didn't spend His life in a sin free bubble. He spent it with sinners. That's why He came.

22 posted on 12/28/2003 6:00:51 PM PST by DManA
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To: dubyaismypresident
As we are all commanded to honor our earthly mothers. Jesus was in all things sinless and the perfect example.
23 posted on 12/28/2003 6:04:40 PM PST by DManA
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To: DManA
As we are all commanded to honor our earthly mothers.

Mary was not John's earthly mother.

24 posted on 12/28/2003 6:05:37 PM PST by NeoCaveman (Venti adoremus)
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To: dubyaismypresident
Yes? Your point?
25 posted on 12/28/2003 6:08:34 PM PST by DManA
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To: NYer
read later
26 posted on 12/28/2003 7:52:54 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: drstevej; NYer
I agree. The Lutheran church has traditionally had a strong attachment to Mary as the Mother of our Lord, and as a perfect example of obedience. After Vatican I, the tend has been to minimize Mary. Still, many "old school" LCMS churches still celebrate a few feasts for Mary.
27 posted on 12/29/2003 8:21:13 AM PST by redgolum
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To: drstevej
This is a notion for which I find no biblical support.

I find no biblical support for you Bible only perspective :)

28 posted on 12/29/2003 8:30:56 AM PST by conservonator
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To: NYer

29 posted on 12/29/2003 9:57:08 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: drstevej
Luther didn't object to the Immaculate Conception.

"It is a sweet and pious belief that the infusion of Mary's soul was effected without original sin; so that in the very infusion of her soul she was also purified from original sin and adorned with God's gifts, receiving a pure soul infused by God; thus from the first moment she began to live she was free from all sin."

(Sermon: "On the Day of the Conception of the Mother of God," December [?] 1527; from Hartmann Grisar, S.J., Luther, authorised translation from the German by E.M. Lamond; edited by Luigi Cappadelta, London: Kegan Paul, Trench, Trubner, first edition, 1915, Vol. IV [of 6], p. 238; taken from the German Werke, Erlangen, 1826-1868, edited by J.G. Plochmann and J.A. Irmischer, 2nd ed. edited by L. Enders, Frankfurt, 1862 ff., 67 volumes; citation from 152, p. 58)

"She is full of grace, proclaimed to be entirely without sin- something exceedingly great. For God's grace fills her with everything good and makes her devoid of all evil."

(Personal {"Little"} Prayer Book, 1522)

30 posted on 12/29/2003 10:02:00 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Luther was wrong here.
31 posted on 12/29/2003 10:04:11 AM PST by drstevej
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To: A.A. Cunningham

32 posted on 12/29/2003 10:43:03 AM PST by NYer (Is Your Mass Valid? http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/articles/badliturgy.htm)
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To: Desdemona; drstevej
Somehow I don't think that the Lord would have a problem with us honoring His mother in the way that He did.

Agreed. Now if you will post the Scriptural references you must be speaking of........
33 posted on 12/29/2003 11:05:29 AM PST by OLD REGGIE ((I am a cult of one! UNITARJEWMIAN) Maybe a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: drstevej
"Luther was wrong here."

What if Luther knew of a scriptural precedent for an "immaculate conception" which you had not recognized as such?
34 posted on 12/29/2003 5:11:30 PM PST by Tantumergo
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To: Tantumergo
Sorry, I didn't follow your question.
35 posted on 12/29/2003 5:12:38 PM PST by drstevej
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To: drstevej
I'm just speculating that maybe Luther didn't find the idea of an "immaculate conception" as unscriptural, because he knew of another clearly attested case of it in scripture!

After all, if it is established that God does occasionally work in this manner, then it would be less difficult to believe that He had done the same for the Mother of His Son.
36 posted on 12/29/2003 5:56:15 PM PST by Tantumergo
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To: Tantumergo
Who else was immaculately conceived. Drop the riddles and tell me what your point might be.
37 posted on 12/29/2003 6:01:52 PM PST by drstevej
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To: drstevej
"Drop the riddles and tell me what your point might be."

Happy Christmas to you too, you old tu-ip!!! ;)

I might drop my riddle if you agree to check something out in your Hebrew bible for me .... about Jewish Messiah prophesied as being a divine being....?
38 posted on 12/29/2003 6:12:13 PM PST by Tantumergo
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To: Tantumergo
Whatcha need checked out? Most of my Hebrew library is at church, but I may be able to help.

39 posted on 12/29/2003 6:17:50 PM PST by drstevej
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To: drstevej
It is also possible that Mary is in heaven crying over the way she has been presented in Catholic theology.

Anything is possible with God

It is impossible for God to contradict Himself. The GodMan Jesus established the Catholic Church and sent the Holy Spirt upon it to dwell in the Catholic Church until the end of time and this indwelling enables the Catholic Church to teach, sanctify and rule the faithful in the name of Christ which means the Catholic Church does the will of its Divine founder Jesus and which also means the Catholic Church is incapable of teaching error.

Luke 10:16 He that heareth you heareth me: and he that despiseth you despiseth me: and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.

Dr, it isn't wise to reject the Teaching of the Catholic Church which Jesus established to Teach in His name.

Using the Bible, show me where Jesus said the Church He established would teach error?

The very question unmasks the fundamental insanity (I am being charitable and not using "evil") of any of the opponents of the Catholic Church's Doctrine. Jesus promised He would be with the Catholic Church untl the end of time. He called the Catholic Church His Bride. And Jesus saith to them: Can the children of the marriage fast, as long as the bridegroom is with them? Jesus doesn't lie nor is he a spiritual fornicator. He hasn't abandoned His Bride nor is He whoring around with another woman (Church).

I hope you are enjoying your Christmastide

40 posted on 12/29/2003 6:29:32 PM PST by Catholicguy (MT1618 Church of Peter remains pure and spotless from all leading into error, or heretical fraud)
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