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Editorial: California Crushes Liberals
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| 10/07/03
| David Horowitz
Posted on 10/08/2003 1:27:37 AM PDT by kattracks
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posted on
10/08/2003 1:27:38 AM PDT
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kattracks
To: kattracks
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posted on
10/08/2003 1:33:42 AM PDT
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To: kattracks
I agree. Conservatives can win not by sacrificing their message but by skillfully shaping it to attract those who don't agree with us on everything. Most Californians want a fiscally responsible government that leaves the morality police out of their bedrooms. If we take advantage of this reality, we can relegate the Democrats here to long term minority status. Now THAT is what I would call a political earthquake.
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posted on
10/08/2003 1:34:13 AM PDT
by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
To: goldstategop
I've actualy always thought that the conservative position that wishes to legislate sexual behaviour amongest consenting adults to be rather contradictory to a true conservative value.
I mean isn't one of the main staples of conservatism to remove goverment out of our personal lives?!
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posted on
10/08/2003 1:39:41 AM PDT
by
Tempest
To: goldstategop
I take back every nasty thing I ever thought about Californians. They certainly proved themselves real leaders today!
To: goldstategop
Indeed, and we should not blow this one!
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posted on
10/08/2003 1:41:37 AM PDT
by
HitmanLV
(I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
To: Tempest
I've actualy always thought that the conservative position that wishes to legislate sexual behaviour amongest consenting adults to be rather contradictory to a true conservative value. I mean isn't one of the main staples of conservatism to remove goverment out of our personal lives?!you can add to that substances that adults choose to put in thier bodies. Freedom and responsibility baby, thats what prinicples are all about.
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posted on
10/08/2003 1:49:29 AM PDT
by
corkoman
To: kattracks
Ahnold! Ahnold!
To: Tempest
I've actualy always thought that the conservative position that wishes to legislate sexual behaviour amongest consenting adults to be rather contradictory to a true conservative value. As far as I am concerned, those folks are far more idologically akin to the Libs.
Maybe their sprific agenda goals differ, but their tactics and mindset are the same. And it is based on the thought of themselves as an elite, better conditioned or better positioned to see the truth, and that all the problems of the world are "due to the shortcomings of others".
And a tip of the hat to one of the greatest among us here in America, the incomparable Thomas Sowell.
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posted on
10/08/2003 1:54:05 AM PDT
by
John Valentine
(In Seoul, and keeping one eye on the hills to the North...)
To: corkoman
"you can add to that substances that adults choose to put in thier bodies. Freedom and responsibility baby, thats what prinicples are all about."Yes and no. Where as I do agree that freedom and responsibility need to go hand in hand. I must question the ability of an individual to maintain control over his/her level of personal reponsibility when under the influence of a control substance. I mean how do you insure that without placing a heavier burden on law enforcement agencies that need to make sure that the streets are safe from people that may decide to take the habit out on the road while still under the influence?
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posted on
10/08/2003 2:00:54 AM PDT
by
Tempest
To: John Valentine
Whooppeeeee bump!
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posted on
10/08/2003 2:02:09 AM PDT
by
lainde
To: goldstategop
Most Californians want a fiscally responsible government that leaves the morality police out of their bedrooms. If we take advantage of this reality, we can relegate the Democrats here to long term minority status. Now THAT is what I would call a political earthquake.Agreed. Of course, what will work in California and what will work in Texas will not always be the same, especially with respect to the sociocultural issues.
Strategically, the key point is this: a much more powerful, broad-based and lasting coalition can be built nationally around free-market/small-government principles, than around the conservative/traditional sociocultural agenda.
Personally, I'd rather see culture and state kept separate. Not only is the depoliticization of sociocultural issues good policy, in California it's smart politics. It's also a way out of the looming trap caused by demographic trends that seers of the left foresee befalling Republicans.
The sore point remains abortion. Politically, it's up to those who feel that abortion is murder to convince a majority of the electorate to agree with them (I'm neutral.) Politicians have to get elected--otherwise, they don't get paid, and have to pursue some other line of work. In order to get elected, they can't be anti-abortion when clear majorities are strongly pro-choice.
The only way to change things is to change the majority opinion. Do that, and the elected politicians will follow (or else different politicians will get elected!) Most politicians are followers of public opinion, instead of shapers of public opinion. Public opinion is the lever. Learn how to shift it.
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posted on
10/08/2003 2:03:08 AM PDT
by
sourcery
(Cthulhu for President! Why settle for the lesser evil? [http://www.cthulhu.org/])
To: WaterDragon
"I take back every nasty thing I ever thought about Californians. They certainly proved themselves real leaders today!"
Not knowing all you said, I think that all the insults thrown at CA FReepers helped spur them into this highly ambitious venture. I'm even more amazed by what McClintock supporters achieved. Hopefully, there isn't much bad blood between Arnold and McClintock supporters.
To: John Valentine
"As far as I am concerned, those folks are far more idologically akin to the Libs."True, true, the majority is. But I'm not quite sure how that makes an arguement to the position that legislation of sexual behaviour amongest consenting adults is contradictory to conservative ideology?
I mean you must admit that there are many conservatives whom have taken the position which would absolutely not induce anyone in that demographic to find the conservative agenda appealing. These are people are well within their right of course not to pander to gays because I believe a persons morals are their own to decide as long as they don't infringe upon the rights of others. I'm just pointing out how I've always thought that legislation against the fact to be contradictory to a conservative ideology.
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posted on
10/08/2003 2:08:49 AM PDT
by
Tempest
To: sourcery
"Personally, I'd rather see culture and state kept separate."
If you mean in part that employers no longer have to fear government regarding who they hire/fire... good luck. Most workers fear some unfair act by their boss, such as being replaced by some bumbling relative of their supervisor. They lack confidence in their own value to an employer.
Then again, I was in a job I've been held back from promotions due to prostitution, building extentions to the boss's house, and nepotism, even though I was a much better supervisor-- both tough and liked somewhat by employees. I might also have been held back due to race/gender, since all the promotions were handed to female/minorities for an extended period of time. It took me years to figure out what was going on. No law stopped my regional manager from doing all of that. It happens anyway.
To: Arthur Wildfire! March
"...I was a much better supervisor-- both tough and liked somewhat by employees..." I was extra nice to hard workers and very much hated by the lazy ones, LOL.
To: kattracks
OK, so when does the rioting begin, egged on by Jesse "dat my baby daddy" Jackson?
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posted on
10/08/2003 2:30:04 AM PDT
by
sandpit
To: kattracks
Commentary:
I watched Davis give his concession speech. There were 18 people around him. With Davis were his wife, his two sisters, and his brother. Of the remaining 13, nine were members of various minorities. That's nearly three-quarters of those in the picture. It was representative of the campaigns Davis and Bustamante ran.
Would it be too bold to say the Democrats have abandoned the majority of Californians?
I've nothing against minorities, but when their inclusion means the exclusion of the majority, there can only be one outcome.
It seems the message the Democrats deliver is "There are people with lots of money, and if you vote for me, I'll give you some of it".
I hope Democrats and progressives throughout the country watched our California Recall results. I hope it helps direct the party to a position that is beneficial to all, and not one group at the expense of another.
To: Tempest
I must question the ability of an individual to maintain control over his/her level of personal reponsibility when under the influence of a control substance. I mean how do you insure that without placing a heavier burden on law enforcement agencies that need to make sure that the streets are safe from people that may decide to take the habit out on the road while still under the influence?you just failed the test of principle: we are too stupid to make decisions for ourselves so we have to rely on others making decisions for us. But if we are too stupid to make decisions for ourselves, how is it possible to make decisions for others??
if drugs were relegalized the impact on the highways could very well be negligible: access to these drugs is fairly easy right now.
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posted on
10/08/2003 2:34:23 AM PDT
by
corkoman
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